Spawnmasons
discussion / applicant-committee
Discussion over our thoughts on initiates and returning masons.
1Charlie3 05/04/2020 06:03
because we love the popstonia masons
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brother terbin 05/04/2020 06:19
Yes
Brother Hari 05/04/2020 06:20
You know it’s good when Terbins in on it
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Brother Emperor 05/04/2020 06:40
is popstonia a real thing or a meme group?
Brother Toilet (breithan) 05/04/2020 06:40
popstonia is life
Brother leijurv 05/04/2020 06:41
popstonia is an individual with a (well deserved) cult following
brother terbin 05/04/2020 06:43
Rebane's alter ego https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8XCucz6crXn5rdm2teSOuw
popstonia
Brother Emperor 05/04/2020 06:43
ah
1Charlie3 05/04/2020 07:39
popstonia is a completely seperate entity from rebane
Brother leijurv 05/04/2020 07:50
is this a robbyrue tulpa scenario
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Брат Bird 05/04/2020 13:17
Popstonia is a well established member of the 2b2t community
Bromger Boomerang 05/04/2020 16:32
We should initiate them separately.
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BottleCapBrony 05/04/2020 18:33
^and vote on them separately lol
18:33
real troll: approve one but not the other
Brother Hari 05/04/2020 18:37
real troll: Approve postonia but not rebane (edited)
brother terbin 05/04/2020 18:38
i wuv rebane don't do that to him
18:38
popstonia can take it
18:38
but popstonia is so cool
Brother Toilet (breithan) 05/04/2020 19:06
Shifting backwards new mason secret dance?
broder lampa 05/04/2020 19:09
how.
brother noname 05/04/2020 19:14
leak
brother terbin 05/04/2020 19:17
that's like anti-afk
Brother Toilet (breithan) 05/04/2020 23:05
No leak
BottleCapBrony 05/04/2020 23:22
>take skin >mirror it front>back Breithan isn't leaning backward, he is leaning forward with his face on the back of his head
Brother Todarac 06/04/2020 00:08
brony stop leaking top secret mason dance
1Charlie3 06/04/2020 00:10
l3@k
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/04/2020 00:36
Wow brony ruining the magic
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 03:13
>leaking >everyone in the channel is already a mason
03:14
ok Chodearac :3 (edited)
03:14
also breithan you cant fool me since I see the truth with my third eye
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 03:40
We planning on voting for Rebane this week? Need to know for the lodge.
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 03:45
are you building it?
03:46
also he was only given initiate like a week ago or something
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 03:46
But he's Rebane so... also, yes.
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 03:48
did you know him before he was a mason?
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 03:49
Yeah boi. We've had interactions in the map discord and on Reddit. Not a lot, but I respect the guy a ton. (edited)
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 03:50
but there is only room for one brony in this discord
Brother leijurv 06/04/2020 03:51
wait is he a fucking brony
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 03:52
What do you mean "only room for one"? I thought you'd be thrilled to expand the brony population within the masons.
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 03:54
yes hes brony and I do want him in
brother noname 06/04/2020 04:21
ask @Brother Entropy
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 04:23
I vote give it another week
Brother Todarac 06/04/2020 04:47
I was a brony before it was called brony
04:47
and then I stopped
04:47
midway through season 2
04:47
because I GREW UP
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 04:52
legit you were a brony?
04:55
todawac owo
Brother Todarac 06/04/2020 05:13
yeah that was my 2011 existance
05:13
until I realised it was the new furry
05:13
then I noped the fuck out
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 05:17
ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WERE A FURRY TOO??? ()//()
05:18
also I am just jesting. I dont consider myself a furry
Брат Bird 06/04/2020 05:27
Bronys technically furries
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/04/2020 05:29
this guy tho
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 05:30
i have a fursona
05:30
i didnt make it, and when it was made i wasnt aware it was a fursona, but my ex did make me one.
05:30
I ahve a drawing of it somewhere...
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/04/2020 05:30
i just realized
05:30
you have an armband legband and a badge
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 05:31
Yeah he does
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/04/2020 05:31
that is true loyalty to the masons
05:31
hari for worshipful
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 05:31
2nd
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 05:31
bro im dedicated, what can i say
05:32
i think someonw else also has all three
Брат Bird 06/04/2020 05:32
I need an armhand btw
05:32
band
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 05:32
was it cubes? :(
Брат Bird 06/04/2020 05:32
I keep forgetting
05:32
Armband me nigga
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 05:32
Which account? NickHasCancer?
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/04/2020 05:32
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353428205723713536/673350479274704897
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 05:33
05:33
:(
Brother leijurv 06/04/2020 05:35
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 05:35
:)
05:36
Bromger Boomerang 06/04/2020 05:36
@Брат Bird https://minecraft.novaskin.me/skin/3701263192/BotherBird
BotherBird
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/04/2020 05:36
Брат Bird 06/04/2020 05:42
my hero (edited)
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 05:46
stop
Брат Bird 06/04/2020 06:14
By technicality
06:14
They are animals and have fur
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 06:21
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 06:30
so is entropy gonna spoend an hour cleaning this channel lol
BottleCapBrony 06/04/2020 06:34
this is relevant discussion
Brother Entropy 06/04/2020 10:39
this is relevant discussion
HermeticLock pinned a message to this channel. 06/04/2020 16:32
Brother Hari 06/04/2020 17:43
Thankyou, Herm, very cool.
17:45
I vote yes on webane
brother terbin 06/04/2020 17:59
that is great
Brother leijurv 06/04/2020 18:17
that just convinced me
18:17
yes on rebane
Брат Bird 06/04/2020 22:11
Parthicus is interested in playing again, not sure about being a mason but he hit me up on the server for a bit.
brother terbin 06/04/2020 22:12
he was in vc at the meeting and after as well
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 00:14
When is rebane being initiated?
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 00:22
Entropy wanted to wait a bit
00:22
but Soon™️
1Charlie3 11/04/2020 00:22
i wuv rebane
brother terbin 11/04/2020 00:28
jingle bells rebane smells, breithan laid an egg hermeticlock lost his sock and jared got away hey
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00:28
wait - wrong season
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 01:06
hmm
01:06
added to my terbinisms folder
01:06
i wanted to know since i would change my lodge in 2 weeks if that was the initiation date
HermeticLock pinned a message to this channel. 11/04/2020 02:42
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 04:08
Is there a reason why we can’t have jumpy back? I feel like he’s done a lot for us. @Брат Bird @brother noname Are grievances solved?
brother noname 11/04/2020 04:12
no jumpy never said sorry and emperor doesnt give a shit
Brother Emperor 11/04/2020 04:16
i just dont agree with you and I'm not going to twist jumpy's arm to get him to do what you want
brother noname 11/04/2020 04:16
and thats fine i get where youre coming from
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 04:43
@HermeticLock send an invite link
04:43
to me
Bromger Boomerang 11/04/2020 05:23
We need to fix the Pint grey name problem.
05:23
Just sayin
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 05:44
05:44
today has been a good day
05:44
i hope he resends it
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 05:55
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05:56
1Charlie3 11/04/2020 05:57
you're just toying with him dude
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 05:57
05:57
detail orientation
1Charlie3 11/04/2020 05:58
again i don't really know what you are trying to do
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 06:02
get an essay
06:08
Brother Wailn 11/04/2020 07:00
Lol Hari you’re such a shit stirrer I love it
07:01
Also “he joined on a different account in 2016 then left until 2019” where have I heard that before...
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 07:03
:)
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 08:10
@Brother Hari
08:10
08:10
08:11
Brother Wailn 11/04/2020 08:11
Brother Nekramite 11/04/2020 08:12
bruh
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 08:12
wtf
08:12
how did he find my ign
08:12
i never messaged him
08:12
hes a creep
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 08:13
because hari is the same as hari hari
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 08:13
but still
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 08:13
now he gave me coords to "offtopia bedroc sign"
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 08:13
how did he know the second hari
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 08:13
i said it first
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 08:14
OH
08:14
okay
08:14
you bitch
08:14
breithan blew up the sign board
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 08:15
false there is photgraphic evidence of the crystal and hari hari and also a witness warlord watched you do it
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 08:28
ur crazy
Брат Bird 11/04/2020 08:38
Grievances solved with Emperium Jumpy is still an immature cunt
08:40
I vouch for Sahara
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 09:16
Jumpy is still an immature cunt, but so are a bunch of masons
09:16
So he should be in here.
brother terbin 11/04/2020 10:21
there were some pretty loudly outspoken people against
Brother Emperor 11/04/2020 10:41
they can just mute and block him then if they cant stand him
brother terbin 11/04/2020 10:44
lets take it up at the meeting
10:44
more love
Brother Hari 11/04/2020 23:10
How many “No” can an incisive get to not be accepted
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:12
80%
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:12
rn its 13/15. type that into a calculator, the resulting number must begin with 0.8, 0.9, or 1.0. if it begins with 0.7 then
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:12
https://rebane2001.com/
Rebane
Rebane's website
23:12
Guys look at his website
23:12
this is exactly the type of person we want in here
23:12
Im a little baffled by the no's
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:13
then you werent paying attention during the meeting (edited)
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:13
https://rebane2001.com/mapartcraft/
MapartCraft
MapartCraft
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 23:13
where is the vote i dont see anything in lodge votes
Brother F3 11/04/2020 23:14
@Brother Dielo so you are voting so we vote again next week and then you vote yes?
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HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:14
#applicant-council
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 23:14
oh i dont have access to that
Brother F3 11/04/2020 23:14
but then how do you know we even vote again?
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:14
Amazing.
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 23:14
because people are talking about it here
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:15
What is the point of voting no so you can vote yes a week later? Isn't that just disrespectful to the candidate?
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23:15
If the vote doesn't pass why would we vote again?
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Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:16
whats disrespectful is not taking in account the opinions of all brothers and OUR OWN rules
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:16
The vote should be about the candidate, not your political opinion.
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Brother F3 11/04/2020 23:16
^
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:16
lately there has been too many instances of we are all equal but some are more equal than others, I thought this a good moment to make a statement and I'm firmly standing behind it
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:16
We don't need to have emoji reactions on my side, I'm just curious.
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:17
not taking in account the opinions of all brothers
dielo, wasn't it essentially everyone in the meeting vs you and jordan?? right back at you, take into account the opinions of everyone else who doesn't see the point in waiting
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:17
me ,jordan and entropy afaik
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:17
In my opinion, your statement here is actively harming the group by voting no on a member that you otherwise think is high quality. But you are allowed to do as you wish of course. There are other ways to express your opinions without harming Rebane. (edited)
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:17
oh, right. yes. (edited)
Brother F3 11/04/2020 23:17
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/698657842445680761 I needed some way to agree with you because you brought my point across perfectly (edited)
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HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:18
I just don't want it to seem like we're ganging up on him (edited)
23:18
What's the benefit of waiting if we already agree?
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:19
we are all equal but some are more equal than others
if it had gone the other way (3 ppl say wait, 13 + others not in council say yes now), and we decided to wait, then i'd be concerned about some being more equal than others. how are you coming to this conclusion after we go with what the consensus was? if we had waited then i'd be worried lol.
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:20
I guess Ill just live with you thinking I'm harming the group while sweeping actual harm under the rug, bending the rules for some and making changes without consent of the whole group
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:20
There are no rules for how long someone should be an initiate before they are voted
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:20
i don't think you're harming anything
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:20
Even if there are, we should be able to bend them and use them purely as guidelines. (edited)
23:21
This killed the group before we started v3.
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:21
There are no rules for how long someone should be an initiate before they are voted
@Brother Todarac we all know about the 1 month rule even if its not written in the rules channel
23:21
i don't think you're harming anything
@Brother leijurv that was a reaction to herm
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:22
The 1 month rule is written down, but that applies after the vote, not before
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:22
after the vote on getting the mason rank?
23:22
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:23
No, the rule was
23:23
If your vote doesnt pass
23:23
you have to wait a month before becoming an initiate again
23:23
there is no rule for before, like there has never been a "minimum time as initiate before voting"
HermeticLock 11/04/2020 23:23
If we all already agree on something we should move forward with it.
Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:23
I was voted on 2 weeks after I joined
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:24
i like using wikipedia shorthand
23:24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:POINT
Wikipedia:POINT
23:24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AGF
Wikipedia:AGF
entropyanndroid 11/04/2020 23:25
Personally I think Rebane is a shoe-in. However, if some have personal doubts and would like to give him more time to earn their trust...
Brother leijurv 11/04/2020 23:25
correct me if i'm wrong: no one has doubts, they just want to wait 1 month, just, because
entropyanndroid 11/04/2020 23:26
And we already have a vote going. Which means if it fails he has to wait a minimum of one more month to be voted on again, if we so choose.
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 23:27
i dont get to vote?
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Brother Todarac 11/04/2020 23:27
there are only 21 people in the applicant council
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:28
you were just added Breithan
23:28
sorry, nvm, mixed up channels
Brother Toilet (breithan) 11/04/2020 23:29
some reason i thought everyone with mason rank could vote
23:29
i could vote a few weeks ago
Brother Dielo 11/04/2020 23:29
entropy keeps the applicant council rank on rotation afaik
Brother Entropy 12/04/2020 00:05
Rebane @SpawnMason https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/353423878137315329/693997002953850901/unknown.png?width=644&height=677
00:06
most people like him, definitely say if you dont
00:07
vote lasts long enough to finish any discussion in here
1Charlie3 12/04/2020 00:09
Rebane is not only really cool to hang out with, but he develops programs many spawnmasons and 2b players in general use. Very smart and would definitely help with projects
Brother Oppenheimer 12/04/2020 00:14
Negative point - Mapartcraft only make .NBT and not .schematic
Brother Hari 12/04/2020 00:15
.SCHEMATIC IS OUTDATED (tHATS HIS REASONING)
00:15
ALSO .NBT IS JUST AS GOOD, PROVE ME WRONG
00:15
Fuck capslock
snugglebugaj 12/04/2020 00:15
calm down
Brother F3 12/04/2020 00:21
I love his answer to the question who he already knew
SalC1 12/04/2020 08:25
I just like the dude because he made an epic salc1 parody intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH5YrzFaYQI
popstonia
Another 2b2t map resetter found (EXTREME TROLLING)
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 00:44
ill assume the vouching people trust him completely he does cool stuff and a lot of people really like him so he has my approval
Brother F3 13/04/2020 00:44
lets initiate him yesterday
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entropyanndroid 13/04/2020 00:44
The same. Rebane is pretty chill and adds both technical skill and maturity to the group.
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 00:45
well
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 21:00
i would like to know why @Brother Oppenheimer and @Brother Dielo say no before proceeding well i mean jordans reason is kind of a meme or is he serious
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 21:02
did I not change my vote?
21:02
I thought I did
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 21:02
oh you voted both
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 21:02
damn, I forgot to UNreact the no, my apologies
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 21:04
My vote was no because we did not have a discussion about it, I need/needed to hear the discussion about peoples views before I can confidently vote yes and give anyone with any problems about him to come forward as that would have affected my vote. As people have now had a fair chance to bring up any problems about him and none have I will now change my vote.
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 21:05
my no was basically the same^
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 21:05
that was my intention
21:05
for pinging the second time
Brother F3 13/04/2020 21:06
when rebane becomes a spawn mason will he still get the 3d degree or not?
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 21:06
todarac thought we had the discussion but he was mistaken (edited)
21:06
idk iron
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 21:10
maybe 3.5d degree
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 21:10
@deleted-role
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 21:11
damn, so we are marking today as the start of 4th degree?
21:11
historic moment right here
Brother Nekramite 13/04/2020 21:11
it has been done, so yes (edited)
Brother F3 13/04/2020 21:12
Im all for making an extra @3.5° role just for him
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/04/2020 22:14
I don't feel like anything has changed enough to merit a 4th degree. Yet anyways.
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 22:14
3° has been a long time and authentication fallout better be the worst thing for a few years
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:15
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/699366817528938607 complete change in worshipfuls, major account exploit involving masons is not enough?
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:16
Can’t forget that guest name colors are different now too
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/04/2020 22:17
I dont think so. Major changes with the group, memebers, activity, how we work should. Nothing has really changed yet. Start of second and third degrees began when there was pretty much a revival of a nearly dead group and inviting tons of new members rapidly.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:17
kind of agree
22:17
but people want change - and if we do the change
22:18
it merits the 4th degree - it's just turned around timewise
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:18
Could it also be said that we aren’t the same group we used to be a few months ago?
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:18
this would represent the big change and solution
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/04/2020 22:18
I do feel this is a possible end of the 3°
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:18
yes
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:18
yes
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/04/2020 22:18
But not 4th yet
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:18
we are working on that yes
22:18
makes sense
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:18
I think that’s what’s happening Breithan. We have t started the 4th yet.
22:19
Reminder that I wrote the script for the third degree ritual the night before after going bar hopping with my friends. I was not sober at all when that degree was written. It turned out okay. Had some good symbolism, just a tad bit too long. (edited)
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:20
Maybe the better option would be remove degrees and make the spawnmason rank really mean something.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:20
agreed on the 2. part
22:21
but why remove the degress
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:21
The degrees just mean which phase you were a part of. The spawnmason degree already does mean something. You’re currently active.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:21
degrees were implemented to promote activity. we dont have this problem anymore.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:21
they don't mean anything but history
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:21
That’s incorrect.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:21
its just more them and us stuff.
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:21
Degrees were added to honor our members that were no longer active and to show which phases each member was part of. They are useful for time tracking and organization. (edited)
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:21
division.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:21
it shows who's the old dud - helps when asking questions
22:21
really don't feel the degrees divide - but I might overlook something
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:21
it was put in when henry was reforming to revive the group
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:22
oh
22:22
it wasn't in the old discord?
22:22
oh no obviously not
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:22
No. They were added for part three.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:22
there was no 2. degree
22:22
interesting argument ye - well it also wouldn't hurt removing them
22:22
we have entropy's chart
22:22
for history
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:23
I haven’t seen any division as a result of these degrees.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:23
it served its purpose but i would like for it us all to be equal brothers without distinction. a new member feeling they have just as much to right to speak as our oldest.
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:23
They do. That’s why they have the highest degree
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:23
let's see what others think
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:24
Why does scribble want to undo everything I have introduced (edited)
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:24
What?
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/04/2020 22:25
Ive never seen any division based on degree before.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:25
I think he just wants to take equality as far as we can to avoid possible conflicts because of some being in "higher standing" than others
22:25
ye me neither
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:25
There isn’t any. The only division comes from scribbles attempts to undermine the group.
22:25
I don’t even know what to do about it.
22:25
Everything needs to be changed
22:25
Nothing is enough
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:26
=> agility
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:26
Where does it end
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 22:26
you are taking it too personal herm
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:26
lol. ok man calm down a little.
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:26
I created the group. Everything about it is personal. This is my baby.
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 22:26
I personally dont see a problem with the degrees either
D_loaded 13/04/2020 22:26
Degrees seem fine in my opinion, its not a rank or any thing, its just like.... a badge of honor (edited)
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:26
I know I’m over exaggerating
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 22:26
but you singling out scribble like he's the only one with different opinions is whack
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:26
it was just a thought. not sure if we need them. i dont think it was any kind of personal attack herm
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:27
i love degrees since i know who to mute in vc (anyone without a 1° role)
22:27
(joke)
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:32
scribble: wants positive reform the group. how is this undermining?
22:32
his suggestions aren't even aimed directly at you but as the group as a whole
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:33
suggestions aren't even aimed directly at you
aren't they?
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:33
reform masons
Pepe hands
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:33
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/699369463346364507 do you really believe this is true leijurv
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:33
not really. They're aimed at the masons iong eneral.
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:33
not in the slightest charlie
22:34
but ive also heard a lot of complaints about herm's behavior specifically, and it's pretty disingenuous to say that none of the ideas are aimed directly at herm
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:34
ok. but right now i do not believe his suggestions are aimed at herm
22:35
they might have been previously but I feel like all of that has already been adressed
Brother Nekramite 13/04/2020 22:35
big to removing degrees
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:35
They’re not aimed at me. I’ve only been taking it as if they are because anything aimed at the group feels like it’s aimed at me.
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 22:35
iron likes the numbers
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:35
[ ] Big yes to removing degrees
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:35
i didn't get the sense that we had "moved on" or "closed" the earlier discussions about worshipful behavior
22:36
didn't realize that that was no longer on the table
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:36
sure but herm just now brought this up and we aren't really talking about that right now
22:36
we are talking about degrees
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:36
And when I see nothing wrong with degrees and scribble tries to have them removed, it just causes more stress for me because it feels unending because he’s very vocal and its felt like nobody has been on my side. Thank you all for saying that degrees are not divisive. I thought we were going to lose them to scribbles opinions of them too. (edited)
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:37
well sorry for wasting ur time then, i missed that cue ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:37
I dont think everyone can read this so maybe we should move this debate back to #smibling-chat
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:38
This isn’t fun for me anymore.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:39
You knowingly started all of this herm. It is incredible to me that you now try and play the victim card.
22:40
After multiple times stabbing me in the back, you are somehow the one who is being targeted in all of this.
22:40
Galling.
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:40
Thanks scribble.
22:41
You’re the hero.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:41
Ok man.
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:42
The difference between me and you is that I will forgive you of everything soon enough. You will hold this against me forever.
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:42
whya re you attacking scribble
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 22:42
the degrees werent even your doing herm youre taking this too personaly
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:42
i dont carea bout the degrees, but herm youre attackign him for having an opinion
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:43
hari its a straw that broke the camel's back situation most likely, its not just about the degrees (edited)
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:43
That’s correct Leijurv.
22:43
And they were my doing Entropy.
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:43
herm you're fine arguing until you think no one is on your side and you play the victim card?
22:44
i don't understand
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:46
If the masons die from internal disputes it does nothing to most of you. You lose a group you were once apart of. It ruins my legacy on this server forever. (edited)
22:46
That’s why it’s personal.
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:46
"It ruins my legacy." I'm actually a child and you're acting it more than me
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Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 22:46
Is this a joke?
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:46
Legacy?
22:46
on 2b2t?
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 22:47
The masons will die if we dont voice our problems and work through them
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:47
thats the craziest thing ive ever heard
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 22:47
It is not a personal attack but changes need to be made
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:48
I think I need to take a break from this.
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:48
I believe the masons will die if people arn't allowed to make their opinions known. Even if another brother takes it personally, its still important.
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 22:48
People bottling up emotions and feelings is bad for the group
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:48
agreed
D_loaded 13/04/2020 22:49
This conversation happened in applicant committee
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:49
You guys can do whatever you want. I’m not going to fight for things anymore.
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:50
why do you feel like that
22:50
you can fight for what you want
22:50
you can expect everyone else to do the same?
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:50
I dont eant to take sides but wasnt he but got denied?
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:51
we shared our side he shared his?
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:51
yes?
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:51
what is wrong with that
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:51
22:52
look its done with
22:52
it happened
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:52
what? didnt say anyhting about that?
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:52
I wish we would move on but some people keep bringing things up, even though we’re in the process of fixing it all.
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:52
xd i dont understand your message iron
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:52
im building new shit and moving on
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1Charlie3 13/04/2020 22:52
it's brought up in an attempt to fix it
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:53
based
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:53
love you smurf
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 22:53
replace all worshpfuls with a bot that proxies the discord api and will call any api endpoint given a majority vote
22:53
bot owns the discord
22:53
solution
22:53
ez
brother terbin 13/04/2020 22:53
heh
Brother F3 13/04/2020 22:54
that isnt so far from the idea of having only 1 worshipful that only does things that everyone agreed on
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:55
#workingasintended Nothing is broken. Well not technically. Everyone here is going to ballance their own self interest against other people based on their relative importance to the individual making the ethical caculation. IE: expect people to sit on juicy shit even if they are masons because humans are humnas. I don't expect anyone here to leak my cords or blow up my base. I no longer expect to be told if there is a chance im about to get ass blasted by a third party
22:55
I just have to adjust my expectations
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:55
Anyways it doesn’t matter anymore. At the end of the day, I’m no longer having fun here because of the toxicity. This is causing me so much stress I can’t even focus on my real life responsibilities. I will be active again when I’m ready to, and in the meantime I will still support the projects that I have started, or am funding. Please learn how to get along and move past things everyone. We’re supposed to be brothers. Internal conflicts will be the end of the group. (edited)
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 22:56
herm youre reading everything as toxic
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:56
herm
22:56
its really not that toxic in here fam. take it from someone versed in the dark arts of life ruin, revenge porn, and dox. This is a 6 year old tea party (edited)
22:57
the walls here have sufficient padding
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 22:58
If it’s not toxic then things should be fixed soon then. I hope they are. If for some reason we aren’t able to move forward, pay close attention to those keeping us back. (edited)
Deleted User 13/04/2020 22:58
[not to sound overly edgy]
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 22:59
There’s a video of docsmurf having sex out there [consider my DMs OPEN, doc]
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 23:00
nice
Deleted User 13/04/2020 23:00
No im not that dumb
23:00
although ain does have a picture of me topless in bed with an x from that one time i got drunk
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 23:01
Harry DMing dock right now "please send"
Brother Hari 13/04/2020 23:03
Exposed
Brother Floyd 13/04/2020 23:03
where #lodge-votes go?
23:04
did I miss something?
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 23:04
willbe back soon
Brother Floyd 13/04/2020 23:04
aight
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 23:04
™
Brother Floyd 13/04/2020 23:04
lol
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:05
I apologize for being dramatic above. For my own sake I will be stepping back from all of these debates in at least the short term. I hope you all will do what’s best for the group and we can move forward. (edited)
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 23:06
were not gonna kill the group trying to improve things herm
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 23:06
I'd like to think people are being deliberate and careful in the new decisions, it's not just changing everything for the sake of changing everything
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:08
Yes, The new procedures should be a good thing. I’m glad we are reworking things. But internal conflicts are not a good thing. When there are people that refuse to move past old disputes and forgive others then the toxicity will stay. (edited)
Brother F3 13/04/2020 23:09
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/699379387732197478 entropy closed it for everyone
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 23:09
bro give it a rest with the toxicity shit already
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:09
I was under the impression that worshipfuls has little sway over how the group functions. I'm a little surprised by your reactions from being asked to step down Herm. (edited)
Brother Dielo 13/04/2020 23:09
the only toxicity is you labeling people with different opinions as toxic
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:10
I stepped down on my own scribble.
23:10
And I’m not labeling those with different opinions as toxic.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:10
So you must see its what is best for the group too. (edited)
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:10
I’m labeling people that refuse to forgive others of past conflicts and move on as being toxic.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:10
Else why step down?
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:10
I stepped down so we could have better changes and more active worshipfuls.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:11
Ok cool. So why all the doom and gloom end of the group stuff?
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 23:11
I don't believe people aren't able to move past previous conflicts, It seems that we haven't fully resolved past conflicts and that is why they are still being discussed
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:11
Scribble, are you prepared to truly forgive those that seek your forgiveness?
brother terbin 13/04/2020 23:12
like me
1Charlie3 13/04/2020 23:12
It isn't beating the dead horse
brother terbin 13/04/2020 23:12
but he makes us work for it
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:12
Until you and some others are the toxicity will stay.
brother terbin 13/04/2020 23:12
like he said to leijurv last meeting :)
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:12
You can ask the people who really know me herm, you get what you put in. be a good dude and we will get along just fine. its not really hard to be on my good side. (edited)
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:12
And I don’t want to be apart of it.
D_loaded 13/04/2020 23:12
I've been watching all these arguments, and I'm not even sure what people want. People jump from one subject to another. This is not what I assumed the spawnmasons would be like when I rejoined.
Brother Oppenheimer 13/04/2020 23:12
I dont have any passed conflicts with people but you also called me toxic, I have not even made a big deal about it, I just moved on
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:12
This has been a long time coming D
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:12
I agree with you Jordan.
Brother Scribble 13/04/2020 23:13
i think it will be a great thing from here on out, less conflict and more trust.
HermeticLock 13/04/2020 23:13
I hope so.
23:13
In the mean time I need to take a step back. The best thing we can all do individually to make sure things are okay moving forward is to forgive one another for conflicts that have happened in the past. (edited)
Brother leijurv 13/04/2020 23:16
dloaded this is Quite abnormal
brother terbin 13/04/2020 23:27
Dloaded this is how it was when I joined the masons beginning of 2019
23:27
this is total deja vu
23:28
but you are right - topics switch constantly
23:30
it's often about us not following our rules set by ourselves
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 23:43
were still in the fall-out zone of the authentication
23:43
corona probably doesnt help either
Брат Bird 13/04/2020 23:51
Another mason civil war meme I don't have the time to make
Brother Entropy 13/04/2020 23:53
i kinda like the numbers. they dont segregate, theyre just indicative someone talked to me about making sm rank mean more but i think we addressed enough right now ill have some votes ready and id rather chill out for a bit lol
brother terbin 14/04/2020 00:06
you rock - thx for putting all this energy into it
Brother Entropy 14/04/2020 00:07
be kind to each other
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3
2
entropyanndroid 14/04/2020 00:31
I'm already past it. My trust for Babba and Ox is still a bit frayed. But, I've also seen redeeming characteristics from both and get where they play their complementary roles within the group.
1Charlie3 14/04/2020 00:32
But you didn't have your hard work blown up like Scribble did, so you should understand why it hasn't just been let go and everyone isn't past it
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Brother Hari 14/04/2020 00:38
I haven’t even had a build exploded yet and I don’t trust either of them.
Brother Toilet (breithan) 14/04/2020 00:52
For me it's just as much they way ox has reacted and the things hes said than it is the actual exploit. And how I viewed them before. I never trusted them in the first place. I think it should be more of a question of what kind of group we are. A network of known/experienced/accomplished/talented players and we use that to make connections or do large scale projects. Or A group of friends who can trust each other, build bases without excluded anyone, and just have fun.
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1Charlie3 14/04/2020 00:53
The spawnmason rank meaning more would be a solution to this
Brother Toilet (breithan) 14/04/2020 00:53
Also i feel like somehow this convo that was in brotherchat got moved into applicant committee channel
1Charlie3 14/04/2020 00:53
i.e they can still do stuff with us, they just aren't always let in on the private projects
Brother F3 14/04/2020 00:55
I agree. tried to point it out here https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/699372727588618300 but it didnt help
brother terbin 14/04/2020 00:56
well said Breithan
Brother Floyd 14/04/2020 00:59
Agreed with Breithan
01:00
I like a lot the second option ngl
Brother F3 14/04/2020 01:00
hm true my message was kinda harsh
Brother leijurv 14/04/2020 01:04
@D_loaded https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353441974696673282/685981461840789545
01:05
Imo it's not as simple as it seems, the tldr is that I don't agree with the basic premise that if 0x had told us then things would have been better (edited)
Brother Hari 14/04/2020 02:54
02:54
are there more votes?
02:54
i can only see the one?
02:54
Charlie is saying there is four
02:56
showed up on my phone.
brother terbin 14/04/2020 02:59
There are more - check on computer
Brother Dielo 14/04/2020 08:13
just woke up and caught up on everything since 2am, big up for entropy and his infinite patience and commitment, smib
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entropyanndroid 14/04/2020 19:22
Yes. @Brother Entropy is a saint.
brother terbin 14/04/2020 19:42
agreed
brother terbin 18/04/2020 23:10
Entropy - the rock
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 09:26
Clover for initiate?
brother terbin 22/04/2020 09:26
second
09:26
but
09:27
is she interested?
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 09:28
Yes
brother terbin 22/04/2020 09:29
well I think she is an awesome builder and a super great person
09:29
good fit
Brother Emperor 22/04/2020 09:54
l thought they didn't talk
brother terbin 22/04/2020 09:55
i've spoken to her in vc
09:55
but we should definitely urge her to speak more
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 09:55
She’s been in VC with me many times
brother terbin 22/04/2020 09:56
ye I had the same feeling
Brother Todarac 22/04/2020 10:12
Hey, we care about activity first and foremost
10:12
plus she was at Mu, which is a huge plus for your 2b """resume"""
10:12
almost an automatic yes
broder lampa 22/04/2020 10:17
sadly she was added only like a week before it was griffed (edited)
10:17
or leaked is better word
10:17
cause it's not really griefed still
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Brother Todarac 22/04/2020 10:18
that it, im gonna show up there to build
brother terbin 22/04/2020 10:18
don't go to the center
Brother Emperor 22/04/2020 10:18
:^)
Brother Floyd 22/04/2020 11:28
Clover good
11:28
I agree
11:29
Maybe she should vc a bit more?
brother terbin 22/04/2020 11:29
could be a timezone issue
Brother Floyd 22/04/2020 11:30
Mh most def
brother terbin 22/04/2020 11:30
isn't she from australia?
Brother Floyd 22/04/2020 11:30
No idea
brother terbin 22/04/2020 11:30
not sure either
broder lampa 22/04/2020 11:33
Yes
Brother Dielo 22/04/2020 11:44
I didnt have much interaction with clover, but I havent seen or heard of any particular conflict so if she’s interested and no one has any arguments against, Im all for it
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 22/04/2020 12:16
Am I only allowed to have an opinion if I'm a Council?
brother terbin 22/04/2020 12:17
no
Brother Emperor 22/04/2020 12:17
how can you have an opinion if you're not on the council, it's outrageous and unfair!
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[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 22/04/2020 12:18
In that case, my stance is the same as Dielo
brother terbin 22/04/2020 12:19
:)
Brother Wailn 22/04/2020 13:00
Clover is great
13:01
I'm all for it too
Brother F3 22/04/2020 13:33
I second
Brother Floyd 22/04/2020 13:35
^
Brother Toilet (breithan) 22/04/2020 14:43
Clover is great. I invited her to the discord to help with the Christmas base. She didnt quite make it there in time. I dont remember if she made it to smibville but that was griefed soon after anyways. So she hasnt had anything mason wise to participate in rn but outside the masons she is very active on 2b.
1Charlie3 22/04/2020 15:28
clover is not interested i don't believe
15:28
she has told me this
15:29
and to be frank, she won't be active ingame with the masons
15:29
but she is one of my best friends on 2b and a very epic builder
Brother Dielo 22/04/2020 15:31
In that case, guest is the best place to stay at for her, she can still join us ingame for certain things like other guests as well as hangout and talk here in the discord
1Charlie3 22/04/2020 15:32
i agree ^
brother terbin 22/04/2020 15:52
i thought this too
15:53
that she wouldn't have time for the masons
Brother Hari 22/04/2020 18:33
I spoke to her aswell about masonry and she wasn’t interested (at the time) and wouldn’t join voice enough for it to work.
18:33
I love her and 100% would vouch if she was interested, but she isn’t (from my recollection and what Charlie said about)
entropyanndroid 22/04/2020 18:45
It's a pity that Clover doesn't appear interested. She seemed to have a nice and subtle personality.
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 18:46
Seemed like she was interested.
18:46
Sent her a DM to verify.
1Charlie3 22/04/2020 18:46
she told me she's not explicitly
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 18:46
When?
1Charlie3 22/04/2020 18:46
multiple times
18:46
and read my above message
18:46
she is a great guest, she will be active in chat
18:46
she won't come to anything in minecraft
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 18:47
I understand, but from my understanding her interest to join came recently.
1Charlie3 22/04/2020 18:47
her interest in chatting maybe?
HermeticLock 22/04/2020 18:48
Perhaps
entropyanndroid 22/04/2020 18:49
I will message her. Perhaps a feminine touch will work better.
Brother Hari 22/04/2020 18:50
i love anndroids "feminine touch" (edited)
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Brother Todarac 22/04/2020 21:38
1Charlie3 22/04/2020 23:11
@HermeticLock clover said she would be interested in joining now and would be able to make meetings
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23:13
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/702575956556120114 responding to this
Brother Hari 22/04/2020 23:17
hmm, okay.
brother noname 23/04/2020 00:31
that feminine touch worked
00:31
i love clover tho shes a good fit
Брат Bird 23/04/2020 06:02
Charlie was definitely trying to keep another aussie out
06:02
smh
1Charlie3 23/04/2020 06:36
delet
Brother Hawk 25/04/2020 00:00
Ive know clover for a long time now she’s an all around cool person and is dedicated when she’s got the time from me
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Brother Hari 26/04/2020 02:08
last
02:08
:)
brother noname 26/04/2020 02:13
last
Brother Hari 26/04/2020 02:13
what the fuck is this
02:14
l;ast
02:14
: ;)
Brother leijurv 26/04/2020 02:14
smib
broder lampa 26/04/2020 02:14
what
brother noname 26/04/2020 02:15
idk hari thinks this channel is getting archived but its not? (edited)
1Charlie3 26/04/2020 02:15
hari this is for talking about votes not voting
broder lampa 26/04/2020 02:16
typical hari
Brother leijurv 26/04/2020 02:16
hari moment (edited)
brother noname 26/04/2020 02:16
kek
Brother Hari 26/04/2020 02:25
what the fuck
brother noname 27/04/2020 09:48
6
09:48
idk if i can post this here but im going to anyways
Brother Hari 27/04/2020 09:53
Clover is 23 ? Til.
09:54
2nd time being in “people i know”
09:54
I vote yes to clover
brother noname 27/04/2020 09:55
clover is my age i knew i liked her
Brother Hari 27/04/2020 09:56
Okay when it was clover I thought “she’s young” but ufo being 23 is a “wow old man” moment
brother noname 27/04/2020 10:12
LOL
Brother F3 27/04/2020 10:18
I ote yes
Brother Floyd 27/04/2020 10:34
Top lol
10:35
Yeh she cool
Брат Bird 27/04/2020 11:41
Nobody likes you when you're 23
Brother Wailn 27/04/2020 11:59
Yes from me - Clover's great
brother terbin 27/04/2020 12:28
no doubt about her
Brother Floyd 27/04/2020 12:32
^
HermeticLock 27/04/2020 17:51
She helped design 2b2t.online
17:51
Brother leijurv 27/04/2020 17:54
1Charlie3 27/04/2020 18:04
clover is good
Brother Hawk 27/04/2020 22:16
^
Bromger Boomerang 17/05/2020 21:05
@Brother Entropy Yo. Where them votes at?
Brother Entropy 17/05/2020 22:00
Pint https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/642163663578595347 Clover https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/704252572554231888 we talked about both several times im not sure if anyone needs to hear anything new im not gonna ping people since everyone can vote and will be pinged for that in a day or so (edited)
brother terbin 17/05/2020 22:50
I have no reservations on any of then. Both are awesome builders and wonderful in chat and vc. Reason that Pint has been a bit reserved lately is that when he got initiate the discord got locked down, so he is a bit reserved/not sure what's going on. I have reached out to him and told him I would like him as a brother. Clover is a clear yes for me too.
Brother Hari 17/05/2020 23:07
Pint seems a little weird but we all are, haven’t really spoken to him so I abstain. Clover Is a fat yes
Brother Toilet (breithan) 17/05/2020 23:13
pint been in vc so much but usually alone. wrong time of day i guss but no one can say he didnt try to vc alot
Brother Hari 17/05/2020 23:14
Yes I had to rewrite my message because he sits in there a lot
Brother Floyd 17/05/2020 23:31
Didn't have much time to vc at all lately but big yes to Clover, Pint idk much about him so I'll for now
23:31
But other than that he seems nice
brother terbin 30/05/2020 09:13
i think illville502 is a good candidate for guest and would like to invite him at some point soon
09:13
have been speaking to him a bit, mature dud with a family
Brother F3 09/06/2020 18:19
I dont like @ßrother LordNo.
18:19
jkjk
Brother Floyd 09/06/2020 18:19
:(
18:19
he's cool lul
Brother F3 09/06/2020 18:20
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/719963837494722642
Brother Hari 09/06/2020 18:22
I’ll kill you
Brother F3 09/06/2020 18:22
wdym?
18:23
I said I was joking!
Brother Hari 09/06/2020 18:23
He’s my adoptive father !
Brother F3 09/06/2020 18:23
ok?
Brother Hari 09/06/2020 18:23
(This is a JOKE iron)
Brother F3 09/06/2020 18:23
oh ok
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 09/06/2020 20:32
@Brother F3 https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/719964840155676673
Brother Pint 09/06/2020 21:23
"i don't like LordNo"
21:23
i got so steamed when i read that
brother terbin 12/06/2020 19:05
I would like to ask for an invite for guest for illville502 - he's one of the founders the diagonal tunnel digs they finished the - - diagonal from 5 mil to corner within 7 months and are quite far on the others - around 8 months to a year to finish they say with current progress
19:05
he's a mature dude who has a family
brother noname 12/06/2020 19:16
sounds good
1Charlie3 12/06/2020 19:36
sounds good to me yeah
Brother Hari 12/06/2020 20:14
"he's a mature dude who has a family"
20:14
i already like him
BottleCapBrony 12/06/2020 23:34
we need more screaming autistic prepubescent players in the masons tbh
brother noname 12/06/2020 23:35
wtf
brother terbin 12/06/2020 23:39
heh :)
23:39
wao?
BottleCapBrony 13/06/2020 00:29
that would be funny if WAO became a mason
Brother F3 13/06/2020 00:30
^
Brother Todarac 13/06/2020 00:35
yeah it'd be funny for like 10 mins
Brother F3 13/06/2020 00:36
who knows maybe he is cool?
1Charlie3 13/06/2020 00:45
rofl he isnt
00:46
leads a shitty pvp factions and doxxes
Brother F3 13/06/2020 00:46
hmm
brother noname 13/06/2020 00:55
wao is not Mason material
00:55
although I love his videos
BottleCapBrony 13/06/2020 01:47
tbh he probably would have ez'd my base if jared hadn't done it
Brother Floyd 13/06/2020 09:42
Wao griefed my spawn base
09:42
My best one, fucking negro
brother terbin 13/06/2020 10:29
also he made the - - highway 33 wide until 2k out
10:29
masonic number
10:29
not jared, but illville502
10:30
with the crew
10:31
people notice
10:31
https://www.reddit.com/r/2b2t/comments/h8468z/diagonal_higway_is_thick_af/
r/2b2t - -- diagonal higway is thick af
0 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit
10:31
it was their response to mcren filling in the highway
10:31
making it 33 wide
BottleCapBrony 13/06/2020 23:56
why 33?
Brother Floyd 13/06/2020 23:59
Club 33 I assume
brother terbin 14/06/2020 00:00
coincidence on their part
BottleCapBrony 14/06/2020 02:18
I could see why the highway might be 3x3 or 4x4 but I question why anyone would make the tunnel any wider, especially considering every extra block of width means digging an extra 3.75 million blocks
brother terbin 14/06/2020 02:21
ah that was an answer to mc_ren
02:22
he and some others filled in a lot of a highway
02:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hvrs5Pbx5Jo
Mc Ren
2b2t March of The #TeamSexy Highwaymen
02:22
so they said - if we make it 33 wide - have fun filling it in and iis apparently has some obby to gather
02:23
i don't think they plan on making it that wide till the border
Sister Clover 14/06/2020 02:28
the tunnel is 33 wide...? jesus
brother terbin 14/06/2020 02:30
2k out I think tho - also - isn't most of that area already cleared?
02:30
when I fly around there is so much open space in the nether close to spawn now
02:37
well they want to put obby all the way to WB on the diagonals
BottleCapBrony 14/06/2020 02:41
that would simply not be possible
Sister Clover 14/06/2020 02:41
probably naive but I thought the 2 sacred things that it was frowned upon to grief were signs and the highways
BottleCapBrony 14/06/2020 02:41
they wouldnt be able to get more than a few thousand blocks away from spawn before they use up their dupe stashes of echests
02:42
the only way that they would be able to clog up the entire highway all the way to the world border is if they had established dupe stashes at constant intervals on the highways all the way to the border
02:42
otherwise they would just run out of obsidian and wouldnt be able to return to spawn to keep getting more
Brother Hari 14/06/2020 02:45
They could def do it all the way to the end of the highway?
02:45
They would just pearl out material?
Brother leijurv 14/06/2020 02:49
`I thought the 2 sacred things that it was frowned upon to grief were signs and the highways` fit watcher detected
02:49
Sister Clover 14/06/2020 02:50
Brother Hari 14/06/2020 02:51
called out
02:51
Eeeeeeasy
1Charlie3 14/06/2020 02:52
i dont grief signs but i wither the highways sometimes
02:52
when im bored and already have them on me
Sister Clover 14/06/2020 02:53
shit highways are fine nowadays for geared players
02:53
blocking them up entirely is a bit much
brother terbin 14/06/2020 02:55
let's see
1
02:55
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/621770507234181151/721543079626014790
Brother Hari 18/06/2020 00:06
can i vouch for ufo's girlfriend
00:06
00:07
she clearly fits in
Brother Floyd 18/06/2020 00:12
Best entrance ngl
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 18/06/2020 06:52
Ufo girlfriend is Team WAO ❓
brother terbin 18/06/2020 15:34
waw
Sister Clover 10/07/2020 03:44
just putting this out there
03:45
if the issue was that he was hard to get to know cause he wasn't in vc enough, he now knows that's the reason so hopefully he would participate more
03:45
obviously the first step would be to get him as a guest, I also don't know how active he is online nowadays
1Charlie3 10/07/2020 03:54
if he was still interested he would probably be a mason by now
Sister Clover 10/07/2020 03:54
fair enough
Brother Pint 10/07/2020 04:19
i don't even remember seeing a vote for Alvin (edited)
Sister Clover 10/07/2020 04:20
this was before our time
Brother Pint 10/07/2020 04:32
:o
Brother Todarac 10/07/2020 04:45
man he joined vc ALL THE TIME before being voted no
04:45
so sad
BottleCapBrony 10/07/2020 04:46
restart in 15 minutes, for those who want to get on
BottleCapBrony 10/07/2020 05:10
^oh shit I meant to post that in general
brother terbin 10/07/2020 06:57
I really tried reaching out to him
06:57
But he was hurt cause he lost the vote
06:57
And never returned
Brother Todarac 10/07/2020 07:16
huged missed opportunity
Brother Entropy 10/07/2020 07:37
he wouldnt have been active at all
Brother Todarac 10/07/2020 07:38
but he was soooo active before the vote
Brother Entropy 10/07/2020 07:39
yeah he had summer
brother noname 10/07/2020 13:12
let's invite him again
brother terbin 10/07/2020 13:13
yes
brother noname 10/07/2020 13:14
should I send him an invite
brother terbin 10/07/2020 13:42
I think you should
BottleCapBrony 11/07/2020 00:09
are we ever going to reach out to Fake Mike? :c I miss him
Brother Entropy 11/07/2020 00:10
he just leaves everytime lol
BottleCapBrony 11/07/2020 00:50
I miss him guys :c
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Brother Entropy 26/07/2020 20:42
Nemac
20:42
Lordno
20:42
20:42
ill link back to them when we vote
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Brother Hari 27/07/2020 00:04
UFO got listed before me so I vote no on lordno
Brother Todarac 27/07/2020 00:06
lord
00:06
lord
Brother Hari 27/07/2020 00:34
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/349201680023289869/726572716181946410/ba5501ed903e5d1196cc032152e17504.gif
Sister Clover 27/07/2020 00:47
lord
brother noname 27/07/2020 00:49
WTF
Brother Hari 27/07/2020 02:30
This is a joke I love lordno
02:30
Absolutely no complaints
Sister Clover 27/07/2020 02:37
lord
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brother noname 27/07/2020 02:40
lord
BottleCapBrony 27/07/2020 02:41
lord What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
Brother Hari 27/07/2020 02:45
Lord
Sister Clover 27/07/2020 02:45
nicenicenicenicenice
BottleCapBrony 27/07/2020 02:46
nice
Brother Hari 27/07/2020 02:51
Oh I also like nemac
02:51
He seems nice
Sister Clover 27/07/2020 02:55
Nemac is great, he was in Haven with us 2 years ago and also came to our recent base to build
02:55
I also really like LordNo
Brother Floyd 27/07/2020 09:40
Lord is ebic
brother terbin 27/07/2020 09:50
I like both
09:50
spoke with Nemac he everyone is doing better
Brother Pint 27/07/2020 16:52
i like em both
Brother Entropy 09/08/2020 17:04
@ßrother LordNo. then https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/737032134702661675 if anyone has anything else to say vote goes up tomorrow
brother noname 09/08/2020 17:33
extremely based and red pilled
Brother Hari 09/08/2020 20:39
Extreme based
Brother Todarac 09/08/2020 22:09
Extremely based
BottleCapBrony 09/08/2020 22:25
so based that jared is trying to get coords
een snail from palestine 12/08/2020 16:36
Lord based
Brother Hari 12/08/2020 17:01
Lord
broder lampa 15/08/2020 00:33
voting no because of that terrible meme posted in #general-20210704
Brother Hari 15/08/2020 00:38
Making another account to vote yes because it’s a dad meme and he’s a dad
Brother Entropy 22/09/2020 01:55
Joey (edited)
01:56
Brother Entropy pinned a message to this channel. 22/09/2020 01:56
Brother Entropy pinned a message to this channel. 22/09/2020 01:57
Brother Entropy 22/09/2020 01:57
Pork (edited)
Brother Entropy pinned a message to this channel. 22/09/2020 01:57
Brother Hari 22/09/2020 02:30
Joey an absolute CUTIE
02:30
10/10 updoot for my boy
02:31
Pork is short and sweet, haven’t really spoken to him
WarLordN1k 22/09/2020 02:51
i have always had a good time when working with joey.
Brother Todarac 22/09/2020 03:19
I fucking love joey
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brother noname 22/09/2020 03:54
WTF PORK IS 17
ßrother LordNo. 22/09/2020 03:57
lol
Brother Todarac 22/09/2020 04:00
that means he was 14 when he was doing all those renders in 2016/2017
WarLordN1k 22/09/2020 04:02
how do you not know that ufo
04:02
smh
Brother Todarac 22/09/2020 04:02
nmh
Brother Nekramite 22/09/2020 08:39
pork and joey
brother terbin 22/09/2020 08:44
yes!
Sister Clover 22/09/2020 08:49
this 1000%
08:50
imo being worried about not being able to commit enough time shows responsibility and not wanting to let everyone down. Pork has been in this discord for ages now and boosted multiple times (not that that is the be all and end all, but shows that he values the group)
Brother Floyd 22/09/2020 09:26
Dude I miss 2pork2bot
09:27
One of the few that was actually useful
Brother Pint 22/09/2020 21:46
yes to both. when my cat """died""" Joey sent me some pretty sincere condolences. as for pork, i've always admired him and honestly thought he was one of the original Spawnmasons. cannot believe he is only 17, tho
Brother Giganox 23/09/2020 04:58
I have been in astral with Jeoy and I think I've never had a problem with him. Both of them seem very well known by the community, but I do not* feel like they are "cloud chasing". (edited)
Brother Hari 23/09/2020 05:02
You do not feel that or you do feel that @Brother Giganox
Sister Clover 23/09/2020 05:06
do noch
05:06
it's Scottish, Hari
BottleCapBrony 23/09/2020 05:13
>noch secret German detected
Brother Giganox 23/09/2020 05:19
I think you mean "dyslexic german detected".
I do not* feel like they are "cloud chasing".
Brother Hari 23/09/2020 14:34
okok
Brother Entropy 24/09/2020 10:43
were gonne need to make a decision on nemac lol https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/353423878137315329/737032054180675584/unknown.png
10:44
hes a bit quiet but people seem to trust him so
Sister Clover 24/09/2020 10:45
I believe the prevailing theory on his quietness and pulling back was that he was brought in at the same time that the big drama was going on and that was offputting
brother terbin 24/09/2020 10:46
and he wants to participate
Brother Entropy 24/09/2020 10:46
this is what he told me
Brother Floyd 24/09/2020 10:46
I like him but idk he doesn't seem to partecipate a lot
10:46
hm I see
10:46
that's good
Brother Entropy 24/09/2020 10:48
he has 4 +'es in the journal which is 4 times as much as terminator
10:48
but everytime he comes he cant join voice yknow
Brother Todarac 24/09/2020 15:18
Ive heard him talk in voice before
brother terbin 24/09/2020 15:18
i love Todarac
Brother Todarac 24/09/2020 15:18
and if someone WANTS to participate, then I say let them in
15:19
The more the merrier as long as theyre not an insider
15:19
but also, he is like REALLY active in Emperium https://i.imgur.com/ry7WT8i.png
15:19
not like thats a dealbreaker or anything, but hes probably top 10 members in case anyone didnt know
15:21
and I love you too Terbin <3
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brother terbin 24/09/2020 15:27
Nemac definitely worthy in my book
ßrother LordNo. 24/09/2020 15:46
Nemac is an absolutely awesome guy. I fully trust he is not an insider and wouldn't leak anything on purpose or by accident (he runs a shop so is capable of secrecy). He and I have built at a number of bases in the past. He is super active in emp in all the right ways. He is hard working, good at organizing, in vc alot for pvp. I mean look at his roles. project-manager, media. -edited for spelling (edited)
Brother leijurv 24/09/2020 19:43
pvp
ßrother LordNo. 24/09/2020 20:06
pvp is just one of the many expressions of love for 2b, anarchy minecraft, and minecraft in general. I would not qualify him as a spawn pvper by nature or by personality. It is just one of the many aspects of anarchy minecraft he enjoys. Beyond that, having some pvp strength may be beneficial at one point in time. Lastly, spending time pvping on 2b is still spending time on 2b; and at spawn as well. Spending/investing time into 2b and being near spawn can only be seen as beneficial from a spawnmason perspective imo.
Brother leijurv 24/09/2020 20:46
i would not qualify him as a spawn pvper by nature or by personality it is just one of the many aspects
exactly what i needed to hear i love lordno!!!!!
Brother Hari 24/09/2020 21:32
Leijurv is a spawn pvper
21:32
Literally designed mods for spawn PvP
brother noname 24/09/2020 21:32
omfg
Brother Hari 24/09/2020 21:32
Vote to kick Leijurv
brother noname 24/09/2020 21:32
no
ßrother LordNo. 24/09/2020 23:02
ok Hari, why don't you bring that up at the next lodge you attend
23:02
!!!!!
Sister Clover 24/09/2020 23:03
yeah, you feelin lucky punk?
broder lampa 24/09/2020 23:04
I think Hari is the imposter
brother noname 24/09/2020 23:33
red pill opinion ^
Brother Hari 25/09/2020 01:29
>going to a lodge
01:29
I wish :(
01:29
I work every Saturday
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:30
yea going to lodge is overrated
Brother Hari 25/09/2020 01:30
Terbin I disagree
01:30
You just HATE FUN
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:30
i love fun
Brother Hari 25/09/2020 01:30
wasn’t there a famous German guy who hated fun
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:31
but let's have a bit of structure
01:31
then fun
01:31
and no fucking chaos all the time ;)
01:31
and if you really cared Hari
Brother Hari 25/09/2020 01:31
The chaos is so fun
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:31
you would change your work
01:31
so you could join :)
01:31
you don't really really care
Brother Entropy 25/09/2020 01:32
m thats not really fair
01:32
you can care about block game and still take life above
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:32
ofc I was teasing him :)
01:33
but in all honesty
01:33
let's get the meetings a bit more structured plzzz
01:33
plzz
01:33
no more throwing vines to candidates
01:33
when they are supposed to have nothing
01:33
and things like that
01:35
we are goofing around the rest of the week
Brother leijurv 25/09/2020 01:42
ok well do u want to help? i just suggested putting the agenda into a slideshow that is Organized and Masonic for example: https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353428205723713536/758772989020995655
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:44
that is very cool, but wouldn't it suffice if we posted it in a channel before the meeting? I think I asked that before sometime. I man slideshow is cool! but the hurdle is a bit higher to fill that ought than just posting it in a channel beforehand. Or don't you think so?
01:45
it's not so much about the materials themselves as it is to sit still for 5 mins I feel. Cause when there is Block Game Drama we can suddenly be serious.
01:45
but let's definitely try it
Brother leijurv 25/09/2020 01:46
i think it would be easier because if someone were streaming the slideshow it would be Easier to Know What's Going On than just an agenda that someone says out loud but that you can't see or read urself
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:46
that's a good point ye
01:46
also helps with attention span, people can watch a stream
01:46
I like your brain
Sister Clover 25/09/2020 01:52
Should be made as Google Slides so it's easy to edit
Brother F3 25/09/2020 01:54
I think I suggested something different but still similar. and it wasnt accepted because then there would be no reason to come to the lodge because people just look at the points, see there is nothing exiting or decide to not come for any other similar reason
brother terbin 25/09/2020 01:55
ye i think I heard something like that too.
Brother Giganox 25/09/2020 13:28
The Slide show is an interesting Idea. Can it be eddited "live", so we can create it together during the meeting as well? Seems like a great addition to the journal to me. Making edits to the Slides before the meeting should be possible but not necessary. I noticed that we have a lot of guests right now and I know that I'm partially responsible because we were looking for ppl to play another game. I would prefer to play with you instead of with guest, but I'm totally fine with common acquaintances tho. All I want to ask for is a Method to filter more efficiently who might be here to stay and who does likely not. Speaking of people who will stay; I spend some time with joey in VC while playing among us. He seems like a chill dude (edited)
brother terbin 25/09/2020 15:34
I like that we have new guests, they are pretty nice people
15:35
and nicely said giganox
Brother Entropy 25/09/2020 23:21
so yea ill take lordnos word for it
23:21
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/758624646358237214
23:22
charlies guest
23:23
damn charlie still asks me how me / the masons are doing every so often
ßrother LordNo. 25/09/2020 23:23
yeah he checks in with me from time to time
brother terbin 25/09/2020 23:24
ye he speaks with me once in a while too
brother noname 26/09/2020 00:37
nemac no cause doesn't talk in vc emp spawnfag doesn't talk that much in discord
broder lampa 26/09/2020 00:38
Agree, I've only heard him once in voice
Brother Floyd 26/09/2020 00:48
Yeh I'm not too much convinced
Brother Todarac 26/09/2020 00:49
I'd personally like to have him but I can understand why people wouldn't
00:50
¯\(ツ)\/¯
ßrother LordNo. 26/09/2020 00:52
same
Brother Giganox 26/09/2020 00:53
Warlord seems to like him. that's good enought for me. I don't share much of a time slot with him, so I gonna trust you. (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 26/09/2020 00:55
I can totally understand the reticence with the lack of vc. So even if he doesn't pass this time I feel it is something we can mention to him as a goal for him to make if he really is serious about joining
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Brother Wailn 26/09/2020 01:57
yeah I've heard from charlie too
Brother Hari 26/09/2020 04:12
I’ve barely spoken to him but the limited talks have always been good
Brother Pint 26/09/2020 04:29
Nemac has been in vc a little more than he used to be... i've heard nothing about him as a spawnfag, tho.
04:29
from my interactions with him, he doesn't have the personality of a spawnfag
04:29
plus he spends most of his time travelling
04:30
so (i, at least) don't see where the spawnfag accusation is coming from
04:31
he has come out to the last few lodges (sporadically). but yes, i totally agree, he does need to talk more in the vc
Brother Entropy 27/09/2020 02:12
told nemac why people voted no and he understands
02:14
whooever vouched for joey / pork its your task to get them involved and or pull them to lodges if possible
BottleCapBrony 27/09/2020 03:40
I wouldbe surprised if anyone voted no for Joey
03:40
I predict that he will pass with 100%
Brother Pint 27/09/2020 03:56
joey is real cool. i'd vote him for sure
Brother Hari 27/09/2020 05:18
Joey had family stuff this weekend, he thinks he’ll make the next one
ßrother LordNo. 27/09/2020 05:20
weird
05:21
my family had joey stuff this weekend
Brother Hari 27/09/2020 05:24
uwu they said they were gonna come visit but only your wife showed up
ßrother LordNo. 27/09/2020 05:27
someone has to tend to the kids, cook, and clean
05:28
that someone being me
Brother Hari 27/09/2020 05:37
it’s okay I sent her home, said I only wanted to see her husband. The MAN of the family
ßrother LordNo. 27/09/2020 05:41
hows the black eye?
Brother Hari 27/09/2020 05:52
Hurting
Brother Entropy 16/10/2020 15:00
last opinions on joey please this week will be complicated enough already without an initiation so if it happens it will be for next week
Brother Pint 16/10/2020 16:03
i like him
snugglebugaj 16/10/2020 16:06
Yes
Brother Hari 16/10/2020 16:29
Absolutely
Brother Floyd 16/10/2020 16:42
Yas
16:42
Very aaaaaaaaaaa
brother noname 16/10/2020 16:48
yes
Sister Clover 17/10/2020 01:37
aye
Brother Todarac 17/10/2020 02:05
Brother Entropy 17/10/2020 23:51
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/757767117075382322
Brother Hari 17/10/2020 23:55
Love Joey
23:55
very cool, will be a fun brother
Bróðir Nordic 25/10/2020 00:30
dont
Brother Entropy 01/11/2020 00:14
Current opinions on zippie please .
00:14
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 00:21
>Emperium
00:21
Idk him please others comment
Brother leijurv 01/11/2020 00:25
as over the last couple of years it has turned into a shitshow of retarded screaming
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 00:27
He’s literally using masons as the “old fag country club”
00:27
I love it
Brother leijurv 01/11/2020 00:28
00:28
LGTM
ßrother LordNo. 01/11/2020 00:54
I very much like zippie. Hard worker, trustworthy, awesome, chill, I have never seen him make a single swastika
Brother Wailn 01/11/2020 01:20
Not complaining or saying no to zippie, but when floyd and I joined the discord as guests we built and were active at several bases for several months before even getting initiate. It seems now that people get proposed very quickly. Not saying this is bad if we are moving away from interaction on 2b as the deciding factor for initiate, just though I’d point it out as something I have noticed. Smib
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 01:23
Everyone’s different ‍♂️ it really just comes down to your clout in the system
Brother Toilet (breithan) 01/11/2020 01:24
yeah hari got in like 2 months after he first joined 2b2t
eepy Joe 01/11/2020 01:24
Maximum clout harri!!
01:24
Hari is cool :^)
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 01:24
I also didn’t get initiate until I complained that they gave it to phoenix because she was dating BabbaJ ;)
01:24
(then, as expected, I was denied hehehe)
Brother Wailn 01/11/2020 01:24
Dude who gives a shit about clout lol
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 01:24
literally everyone
01:25
clout is just who knows you
01:25
If I’m friends with someone I’m gonna get them initiate ASAP, and if they’re friends with a bunch of masons really quickly they’ll get approved
Brother Wailn 01/11/2020 01:26
Yeah I see that and it makes sense
01:26
Just thought maybe they should build a bit first
ßrother LordNo. 01/11/2020 01:27
@Brother Wailn I totally get what you are saying. Once they become a mason it’s not like there is an additional level beyond that, they get all bases etc so we need to know they are long term and trustworthy
01:27
That being said, zippie was here before, has built with us before, and was initiate before. So his expedited journey may be reflective in that past engagement
Brother Toilet (breithan) 01/11/2020 01:29
i havent been around and have no idea who zippie is so i will trust what my brothers and sister decide
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Brother Floyd 01/11/2020 01:37
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/772268878302543902 lol ikr I was guest for months
01:38
I think zippie is cool but what Wailn said is rather true lol but Ig the group and the people in it changes and so do the decisions we make
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 01:40
Some people are initiate for months some arnt. It’s not new
Brother Entropy 01/11/2020 01:47
wailn several initiates / guest are helping the party committee, a lot were at the train, some are at the chunk base, some are at consta base and you wont see most it because youre not at them
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 01:48
called out
Brother Entropy 01/11/2020 01:48
same for you hari
Brother Hari 01/11/2020 01:49
Mm but I said others should speak on it
Brother Entropy 01/11/2020 01:49
you also said called out :p
Brother Wailn 01/11/2020 01:49
that's fair entropy
Brother Entropy 01/11/2020 01:50
we have some past history with zippie before wailns time
01:50
so for you it seems kinda random
01:54
theyre all building somewhere and all of them have shown lasting activity on 2b
01:54
should come to the bases and youll know
Brother Wailn 01/11/2020 01:57
I will, I enjoyed the train very much
Brother leijurv 01/11/2020 01:57
Ya wailn you're right but we need affirmative action towards new initiates, we haven't had enough new members this year
01:57
We can increase rate without sacrificing quality hopefully
01:57
Hopefully
Brother Wailn 01/11/2020 01:59
I'm sure we can, and I don't have a problem with any of the guests, I'm sure they are all legit
Brother Entropy 01/11/2020 02:06
so more thoughts on zippie please if you have them
brother noname 01/11/2020 06:45
he's still kinda retarded idk
Brother Nekramite 01/11/2020 08:12
its a from me atm
Brother Oppenheimer 01/11/2020 10:09
Zippie has been very active at our constantiam base and would come to a 2b one if invited @Brother Wailn He has been very active in vc over the last month mainly in the among us discord (with other masons) there has been few active vc's in mason discord over the last month but he has joined when there are. In the past he has been part of mason 2b projects (before some of you guys time). I have known him for over 3 years and think he would be a good fit. @brother noname he is a lot less retarded now (on par with some other masons ) which is why I vouched for him now
10:14
He also helped me build the maze lodge on constantiam, he built like over 1/2 of it! He also has a lodge idea that he want to build and will reserve the first available week after he gets initiated. (it will be a game lodge) (edited)
brother noname 01/11/2020 14:27
yea he's less retarded now I will admit
Brother Pint 01/11/2020 20:32
i've barely interacted with him, so i don't really have an opinion.
20:34
i have played Among Us with him several times, tho, and i don't remember him being annoying
20:34
or really oustanding in anyway
Brother F3 01/11/2020 20:36
did he do anything on 2b?
20:37
other then that I would also add him. He seems like a cool dude
Sister Clover 02/11/2020 01:21
i havent been around and have no idea who zippie is so i will trust what my brothers and sister decide
this, I don't think I've ever interacted with zippie but I trust others' opinions
eepy Joe 02/11/2020 01:55
I don't know zippie well either. Seems chill, but i certainly don't know enough to give a properly informed opinion
BottleCapBrony 02/11/2020 02:09
every mason right now: I don't know him so I will trust the other masons' judgement
02:09
eepy Joe 02/11/2020 02:09
(((That's what got beardler into bgm)))
Brother Entropy 02/11/2020 02:12
be in voice and talk to him lol we can wait longer before voting get him to the 2b base tell him to write a 10 page essay on his travels on 2b (edited)
Brother Fruit 02/11/2020 02:14
I don't have much ground to stand on here, given that I've spoken to zippie only once that i can recall, just through whispers at the const base BUT i am still of the opinion that the masons should strive to be a collection of exceptional players, and so any new recruit should ideally have some greater selling point than just "he seems nice" and "other masons are friends with him" again, i want to stress that this is not meant to imply zippie doesn't fit the above, but given this: https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/772643403082891335 I felt i might as well throw in my two cents, not about any particular initiate, but of the process as a whole (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 02/11/2020 02:16
Henry's got a point
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/11/2020 02:18
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/567579298362425344 1.5 years ago me and a few others said much of the same
Brother Fruit 02/11/2020 02:22
yeah, i actually am reading old messages in here too
02:24
Brother Entropy 02/11/2020 02:25
zetlin had the issue that he was very new and we didnt know how he would hold up
02:25
henry states every message without addressing zippie directly lol
02:25
nobodys gonna disagree with it
02:26
you vote as you feel is right but this discussion is exactly to see how zippie holds up
02:27
i honestly feel that he included almost nothing in his application about what he has done on the server (edited)
02:27
while i know hes done a bunch of things
Brother Fruit 02/11/2020 02:27
wdym every message, i've just sent one
Brother Entropy 02/11/2020 02:28
ok one then
02:28
but then boomerang agrees with it
Brother Fruit 02/11/2020 02:28
well i tried to make it clear i wasn't advocating against zippie
02:29
or saying that zippie isn't an interesting candidate, so i think we're in agreement that more time is probably good
Brother Entropy 02/11/2020 02:30
sounds good to me
Brother Pint 02/11/2020 02:36
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/772644893343350864 THIS. even though the first time i mentioned it i was laughed at, i do think that "brother potential" should seriously be considered. (edited)
Brother Hari 02/11/2020 02:37
can we all point and laugh at pint
02:37
also following that logic, who is Harri? Who is this “pint”?
02:38
Regarding the part of people being note worthy
Brother Pint 02/11/2020 02:39
i'm ok with there being exceptions. how else would you and i have been let in?
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Brother Hari 02/11/2020 03:00
yes this
brother noname 02/11/2020 03:01
imo more time for zippie
03:02
he's a lot better but I still wanna see
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 18:47
@here I would like to invite villicool as guest, any objections?
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 18:47
not a fan
18:47
Random pings in the among us discord, also wasn't he the crafting table dude?
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/11/2020 18:48
I'm a bit split on whether we should allow villi
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 18:48
he only pings @gameping harri
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 18:49
no he doesnt
18:49
oh
18:49
maybe that was aholic
18:49
im trying to find (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 05/11/2020 18:49
wasn't he in brownmen?
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 18:50
still not a fan
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/11/2020 18:50
Villi has been cool when we've interacted, but I'm not sure if trustworthy
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 18:50
He is really nice to talk to, I have spent a long time in vc with him over the past few weeks & think he has "mason potential" so would like to have him here as guest so other people can get to know him
ßrother LordNo. 05/11/2020 18:51
Wasn't he one of the ones who was bullying Finstaa?
18:51
kept on dismantling his builds
eepy Joe 05/11/2020 18:51
Hi! Friendly neighborhood noob here! Is there any set criteria for guests?
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 18:51
they have to be good
Brother Floyd 05/11/2020 18:51
Villicool nah
18:51
He's unstable
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/11/2020 18:51
they have to not leaky
eepy Joe 05/11/2020 18:51
ok
Brother Floyd 05/11/2020 18:52
Also he made a lot of noise with the crafting table shit
18:52
Not a fan
ßrother LordNo. 05/11/2020 18:52
Also was in emp while I was buyilding the spawn omegas and was one of the first to start greifing it, then making fun of emp while still in emp, then jumped to brownmen group
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 18:52
hmm yes i vote no on villi (edited)
eepy Joe 05/11/2020 18:53
shifty
Brother leijurv 05/11/2020 18:53
guests are halfway between "by consensus" and "by veto"
18:53
even just a few hard nos is enough to not invite
eepy Joe 05/11/2020 18:53
ok!
Brother Fruit 05/11/2020 18:54
i say "eh" to villi
broder lampa 05/11/2020 18:58
villi is cool to talk to but he's a faggot
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 18:59
thats why I just want guest so we can talk
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 19:00
he seems like someone whoi would share what we say
19:00
which is why im already nota biggus fan
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 19:01
he dose not even play 2b anymore
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 19:03
doesn't that take away brother potential
19:03
does he play const?
19:03
(i'm hypocritical, i know)
Brother Fruit 05/11/2020 19:03
well do you want him as guest to talk or do you want him as guest because you think he has brother potential
Bromger Boomerang 05/11/2020 19:04
I don't mind villi
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 19:05
lets be honest, who actually plays 2b regularly anymore
19:06
there are 3 masons in VC with villie right now!
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 19:12
I saw 3 masons in vc with elon one time, doesn't mean he gets in ;)
Brother Fruit 05/11/2020 19:16
i wuv ewon (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 19:19
@Brother Hari you never in vc
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Brother Hari 05/11/2020 19:23
i was at last lodge
19:23
btfo
Brother Todarac 05/11/2020 19:27
I have personally invited villicool in the past iirc
19:27
We ended up just kicking him
Brother Fruit 05/11/2020 19:28
ecks dee
brother noname 05/11/2020 19:38
terbin so redpilled
19:38
I think he's annoying
ßrother LordNo. 05/11/2020 19:39
lol @ me being a fucking broken record.
Brother Oppenheimer 05/11/2020 19:39
19:40
He is sooo active in vc and nice to talk too (edited)
brother noname 05/11/2020 19:40
maybe if he'd villiCOOLED it
Brother Floyd 05/11/2020 21:10
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/773992263013105664 lol this
21:11
I'm cool with talking with him in 2b chat or anywhere else but I don't think he belongs in here
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 21:51
Then talk to him in Reapect Club and Among Us disc
brother noname 05/11/2020 22:01
hes not in respect club
Brother Floyd 05/11/2020 22:11
Was tho
22:12
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/774028162539454514 who are you talking to hari
Brother Hari 05/11/2020 23:01
Jordan three messages above....?
Sister Clover 05/11/2020 23:02
yeah as said above, he's the one who raided womens discord and put my girls at risk, although keep in mind he did then apologise in DMs
Brother Pint 05/11/2020 23:12
i'm not that big a fan of vilicool
Brother Floyd 05/11/2020 23:30
Ah oke my bad
eepy Joe 06/11/2020 00:13
villicool does not sound cool (edited)
00:13
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353423878137315329/773994589631283210/image0.png
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/11/2020 02:04
i killed villicool at a lodge a few months back
Brother Pint 06/11/2020 04:19
it's not that he's done anything, it's just the vibe i get from him: how he talks and how he navigates conversation. he seems low-key douchy
04:19
i'm no opposed to him being a guest, but i don't think he'll be a keeper in the long run
04:20
i kinda get Marcel vibes from him
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:33
lol
15:33
>multiple day discussion on if we should invite villicool
15:33
>someone just invites Destiny instantly
Brother Wailn 06/11/2020 15:36
lol what the fuck dude I thought you were taking the piss
15:36
then I checked guests... (edited)
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:37
did someone remove his join message? it was just in general a minute ago
eepy Joe 06/11/2020 15:40
Please be joking please be joking please be joking
Brother Wailn 06/11/2020 15:40
did someone ask if they could invite him? I didn't see it but I also wake up with 400 messages sometimes and can't read them all
eepy Joe 06/11/2020 15:42
15:42
No fucking discussion
15:43
At all
15:44
This is not cool
15:47
@Worshipful pls fix or bring to a vote
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:47
Are you crazy todarac
15:47
you're going insane
15:47
no destiny
15:47
he's seeing things
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:48
confirmed
15:48
lamp did it
eepy Joe 06/11/2020 15:48
He was just typing in chat and i searched him and he comes up in the querry
15:48
Yes
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:48
He's not in memberlist
15:48
I checked just now
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:48
https://i.imgur.com/bdCcVsV.png
15:48
your am disabled
15:49
https://i.imgur.com/csYMljU.png
eepy Joe 06/11/2020 15:49
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:49
oh
15:49
maybe he found our end base
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:49
oh lol
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:49
we sent a link to whoever found the end base
15:49
why did you ban him retard
15:49
God damn it
15:50
now he's gonna grief the end base
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:50
wow, truly a guest we want in here
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:50
why did he not show up on memberlist normally bad app
15:50
i had to go to search his name
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:50
alright hold on
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:50
wow, truly a guest we want in here
@Brother Todarac did you not read what I said
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:51
unban him
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:51
Done
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:51
gdi
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:51
lamp literally worst worshipful smh
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:51
either we wdl and nuke the end base or we give him the finstaa treatment and lock him to the end base channel
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:51
dont tell me you actually want him in here
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:52
either we wdl and nuke the end base or we give him the finstaa treatment and lock him to the end base channel
@Brother Fruit chill
15:52
dont tell me you actually want him in here
@Brother Todarac no but I don't want our base blown up
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:52
i provided two options of varying chillness
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:52
we can restrict him to base chat only
15:52
chill the fuck out lol
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:52
???????????
15:52
i am chill
15:52
i literally proposed that
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:52
yea not you
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:52
ufo is panicking
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:52
todarac
15:52
lol
15:52
stfu niggie
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:52
and projecting his panic onto others
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:53
oh my god you need to chill out bro
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:53
first you accuse lamp of gaslighting
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1
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brother noname 06/11/2020 15:53
gonna put you in time out
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:53
now you accuse ufo of projection
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:53
lamp called me out for being wrong when he was objectively wrong you love to see it
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:53
i blame discord
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:53
I love it when people are super smug then wrong
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:53
what's the big issue with destiny? he's another retarded kid, there are plenty of them, is there something i'm missing that makes him unique
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:53
he's just a tard
15:53
but we can quarantine to end base
15:54
let me dm him
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 15:54
or just ignore him
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:54
when someone shows up at a base you'd like to keep intact
15:54
the only option is to try and work something out
broder lampa 06/11/2020 15:54
how did he find it doe
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 15:55
well we certainly won't find out if we "just ignore him"
brother noname 06/11/2020 15:58
I found out
15:59
#spawnmason
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:26
is there any good reason for destiny being here
16:26
can't read the 200 messages above atm
16:26
because I'm not too happy about it
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:26
he found end base
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:26
good now I'm even more unhappy (edited)
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:26
lol
16:27
why does everyone hate destiny
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:27
he's not herw
16:27
he's just in end base chat
16:27
no general
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:27
because he's an obnoxious and annoying kid
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:27
if he joins vc I'll take that away too
16:27
laizboi "accidentally" leaked it in a vc
16:27
tldr
16:27
remain calm
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:27
a
16:28
that's great. (edited)
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 16:29
in vc? how the fuck
16:29
(x)
16:29

- 10000000

brother noname 06/11/2020 16:30
streaming
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:31
even more great
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:32
how did he leak it
16:32
waypoints on?
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:37
not sure
16:37
we'll talk about it at the meeting
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:45
@Brother Oppenheimer read here
16:45
lazyboi leaked it in vc by accident
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:46
did he also leak the fitmc thing
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:46
what
Brother Oppenheimer 06/11/2020 16:46
kk
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:46
the FitMC Troll
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:47
what fitmc troll
16:47
am I missing something
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:47
oh yea
16:47
he did
16:47
the fitmc baritone troll script
16:47
damn not looking good for laziboi
16:47
baritone bots
16:48
@Brother Floyd
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:48
ah okok
16:48
wait was that meant to be private
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:48
yes
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:48
kinda limited to masons
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:48
>floyd also leaked it
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:48
nono I didn't lolle
16:49
just to be sure I didn't show anyone anyways
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:49
lmfao
16:49
Floyd like that was supposed to be private? (edited)
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 16:50
I like that he took the safe approach and just didn't share it anyway
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:50
LOL
16:50
plus I was lazy to actually send it anywhere
16:51
laziness do be godlike
brother noname 06/11/2020 16:51
ur Italian of course ur lazy xd
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Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 16:57
can relate
eepy Joe 06/11/2020 17:02
Leaky leaky
ßrother LordNo. 06/11/2020 17:18
fitmc troll? May I be let in on da sekrets?
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 17:20
big pdf
brother noname 06/11/2020 17:20
the baritone bot video isnt real
17:20
omfg
Brother Fruit 06/11/2020 17:20
how they tricked him into making those baritone bot videos
17:20
its like, not even fair to fit to really give him a hard time about it
17:20
it was a CONCENTRATED effort
17:21
an actual conspiracy
Brother Todarac 06/11/2020 17:21
it was a deadly troll
ßrother LordNo. 06/11/2020 17:21
deadly troll
broder lampa 06/11/2020 17:22
Yep
17:22
Fitmc is dead
17:22
No recovering
Brother Pint 06/11/2020 17:49
lmao
17:49
which one of you dunderfucks let Univercious in (edited)
brother noname 06/11/2020 17:50
omg just scroll up (edited)
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 17:52
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/774308769466417193 @Brother Pint
Brother Hanscor 06/11/2020 17:57
hari moment
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 17:57
fuck you
Brother Hanscor 06/11/2020 17:57
lol
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Brother Pint 06/11/2020 18:01
i read the whole. just no one atraight up said "i invited him"
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 18:01
yes
18:01
ßrother LordNo. 06/11/2020 18:04
Figuring out how/why Univercius was invited is the new coord quest.
Brother Hari 06/11/2020 18:04
lol
ßrother LordNo. 06/11/2020 18:05
you will find hints hidden across three channels
18:05
muahaha
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:42
why you all hate Destiny so much?
18:42
he changed and is not annoying anymore
broder lampa 06/11/2020 18:42
Nope
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 18:43
sounds subjective
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:43
its also subjective to think that he is annoying
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 18:43
yes
18:44
it is what it is
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:44
hes ok
18:44
kinda cringe tho
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:45
I just feel very sorry for him bc he cant do anything about how ppl view him bc he was like that in the past. imagine not getting a second chance
18:45
ok
Brother Hanscor 06/11/2020 18:47
he threatend a base to get invited thats not good at all
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:47
he didnt threaten the base
Bromger Boomerang 06/11/2020 18:47
Easy to do something. Change your name.
18:47
People do it all the time.
Brother Hanscor 06/11/2020 18:48
lol
18:48
i miss read the sign
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:48
oh okay lol
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 18:48
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/774344275995525140 not always successful
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:48
he should just become trans
18:48
uwu
18:48
jk
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 18:48
salhack -> summit -> whatever the fuck is now
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:49
pyro
18:49
what does that have to do with univercicus tho?
18:49
look he tried to change his name
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:51
true
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 18:51
i told him to
ßrother LordNo. 06/11/2020 18:52
the signs and sneaky email address feel a bit like a larp.
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:52
what email address?
ßrother LordNo. 06/11/2020 18:52
But I think the larp was to seem cool enough for us
18:52
if that makes sense (edited)
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:52
I dont see what signs he put...
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 18:53
nice 4:3
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:54
lol
18:54
that sounds like he is very obbsessed with us
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 18:54
brings back memories kek
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:54
y?
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 18:54
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/749307404927238204/774224898661941268
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 18:55
y?
what
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:58
iron isn't in end chat
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:58
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/749307404927238204/774224898661941268
@Brother Entropy doesnt load for me for some reason (phone)
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:58
it's in there iron
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:58
what
@Brother Floyd idk what memories
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:58
I'll dm u it iron
Brother F3 06/11/2020 18:59
the link is to the announcements tho?
brother noname 06/11/2020 18:59
no thr link to the signs he left
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 18:59
i guess it defaults to first channel when its invalid access (edited)
18:59
just say youll come to the base iron lol
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 19:00
idk what memories
my memories lmao
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 19:00
iron wants a copy please
19:00
floyd
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 19:01
of my memories
Brother F3 06/11/2020 19:01
brings back memories kek
@Brother Floyd this is just confusing then
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 19:01
yes do you have a brain computer interface (edited)
Brother F3 06/11/2020 19:01
gives me NPEs
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 19:01
yes
Brother F3 06/11/2020 19:01
bc I have null bytes there
Brother Entropy 06/11/2020 19:01
throw new IronException()
Brother Floyd 06/11/2020 19:01
LOL
Sister Clover 07/11/2020 01:03
when there's 200+ messages but you have to read them cause it's not #general-20210704
01:04
that sounds like he is very obbsessed with us
he is, he's the guy who has tried to ask many of us "what's your top tips for getting into the masons" and "can you get me into the masons"
Brother Entropy 07/11/2020 01:06
the more you ask the more no
Sister Clover 07/11/2020 01:07
ye
01:07
makes me wonder how he knew the catflushed was the mason discord's favourite emoji
01:07
or is that everyone's favourite?
Brother Entropy 07/11/2020 01:07
i wonder why....
1
01:08
also i think leijurv and co spread the cat stuff everywhere
Sister Clover 07/11/2020 01:08
lol nvm
Brother leijurv 07/11/2020 01:09
eepy Joe 07/11/2020 01:47
OwO (edited)
Brother F3 07/11/2020 08:07
I dont think he knew that
08:07
he just built it bc it fit
Bromger Boomerang 11/11/2020 22:59
How do we feel about adding Generic German Soldier as guest? (edited)
1
22:59
@Brother Entropy
Brother Entropy 11/11/2020 23:00
need to give time for objection
Bromger Boomerang 11/11/2020 23:00
Even for guest?
Brother Entropy 11/11/2020 23:01
yes
Bromger Boomerang 11/11/2020 23:01
ok.
Brother Entropy 11/11/2020 23:01
does he play
23:01
i have no idea who this is
Bromger Boomerang 11/11/2020 23:01
Yes. He plays 2b. And he plays among us with us every time. He was in the game with us today (edited)
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 12/11/2020 11:30
No idea who he is
11:30
I'll leave this decision up to amongusmasons
Brother Floyd 12/11/2020 12:18
No idea who that is
Brother Oppenheimer 12/11/2020 18:56
@[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 @Brother Floyd thats the point of guest! One (or some) brother like someone and wants others to get to know them too! You just need to say if you dont want a guest and tell us why.
Brother Floyd 12/11/2020 18:57
uhm Ig no opinion
18:57
since I don't know him I'm not opposed
Brother Entropy 12/11/2020 18:58
jordan freaks me out with the excamation marks
Brother Oppenheimer 12/11/2020 18:58
WHY!!!!!!!!!!! (edited)
eepy Joe 12/11/2020 18:59
!!! guests
Brother Wailn 13/11/2020 00:19
He’s angry!
eepy Joe 13/11/2020 00:24
Yata (420YATA69, yatagarasu7777, xz_7) for guest? He is a good friend i have been doing shit in spawn with, he also co-lead the incursion, co-lead crimson, and now is a high level SBC member. Nice guy and is doing a lot of stuff around the server lately
Brother Entropy 13/11/2020 00:56
built at the train
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/11/2020 01:02
generic was a crafting table cult guy i think. he also made a few map arts a year ago.
Brother Pint 13/11/2020 05:13
generic is cool. that's all i can say on him
Fuffer
This is where we vote on all new members becoming spawn masons. Simple rules for acceptance:

- don't be a shitter
- have a mic, no sqeakers or relentless shitposting
- respect the rules and privacy of the group
- when first joined as Initiate, make sure to spend time in voice chat getting to know other Spawnmasons
- 60% vote yes for the initiate to become approved.
- 90% of the applicant committee must vote within 48 hours of the vote cast
  - if unapproved, wait a week to cast a second vote.
  - if unapproved twice, kicked from the group.
- in special circumstances, serious vouches need to be placed to be approved if the vote doesn't pass.

Bróðir Nordic 19/11/2020 21:44
test
21:44
cool
snugglebugaj 19/11/2020 21:47
dont do this to me
Brother Floyd 19/11/2020 22:01
wtf
Brother Entropy 20/11/2020 14:38
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/772252098880208936
14:38
We should vote soon lol
14:39
first conv
14:39
https://discordapp.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/772262361327075338
14:39
#zipper
14:39
if you have anything new say it now
broder lampa 20/11/2020 14:41
oh god oh fuck will i have to add a cuck she'd (if he's accepted)
Brother Entropy 20/11/2020 14:41
no itll be for next week if
broder lampa 20/11/2020 14:41
oh ok
Brother Entropy 20/11/2020 14:43
hes not like a zetlin, hes been around for a long while playing 2b since we gave him stuff to do so thats good been around a lot i wont mind making him blue
brother noname 20/11/2020 15:02
yes for zippie
Brother Floyd 20/11/2020 15:07
Zippie is good so far never had problems with him
brother noname
yes for zippie
ßrother LordNo. 20/11/2020 15:16
Warms my heart to see this
brother noname 20/11/2020 15:29
I always liked zippie when he's not being annoying and spam pinging me in the among us discord
Bromger Boomerang 20/11/2020 16:58
I really like zippie. He and I have gotten close playing Among Us together. Big yes from me.
ßrother LordNo. 20/11/2020 17:29
Yeah same. Hard worker, trustworthy, doesn't make dumb mistakes with coords or clients. He is nothing but checkmarks in my books.
brother noname 20/11/2020 17:39
didn't he leak his or Jordans stash to haxified (edited)
17:39
@Brother Oppenheimer
brother noname
didn't he leak his or Jordans stash to haxified (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 20/11/2020 18:01
Yes he did, but that was a long time ago and he has learnt his lesson.
brother noname 20/11/2020 18:11
good good
Brother Pint 20/11/2020 22:06
i have no worthwhile opinion on Zippie
Brother Hari 20/11/2020 22:11
I still haven’t really spoken to him, but that’s my own fault. I trust Jordan’s judgement and he seems very enthusiastic.
Brother leijurv 20/11/2020 22:11
i think it's fine to go for it (voting) as long as we don't bandwagon vote - if your sentiment is (like mine) i don't know zippie but trust the brothers who do know him, then don't jump onto the without your own reason (especially if some are )
Brother Hari 20/11/2020 22:11
Yea
Brother Pint 20/11/2020 22:12
in scenarios like these, i just don't vote
Bromger Boomerang 20/11/2020 22:25
Are there any negative opinions on zippie? Or just positive, and neutral? Might be good to hear from dissenters.
brother terbin 20/11/2020 22:43
zippie is cool, hard worker too
Brother Pint
in scenarios like these, i just don't vote
Brother Oppenheimer 20/11/2020 23:02
Thats why I had the emoji added. If you abstain it means you have seen the vote but have no opinion either way. If you just dont vote it looks like you dont care/ ignored it!
ßrother LordNo. 20/11/2020 23:06
^
23:06
big brain
Sister Clover 21/11/2020 00:02
abstain is a godsend
00:02
nothing is worse than uneducated voting !
brother noname 21/11/2020 00:03
or you guys could be good masons and get to know them zippies been in vc plenty;)
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Brother Oppenheimer 21/11/2020 00:07
He is also at TWO of our bases!
Brother Hari 21/11/2020 00:09
There are mason bases?
00:09
/s
eepy Joe 21/11/2020 01:47
01:47
he seems good but i barely know him
Brother Oppenheimer
Thats why I had the emoji added. If you abstain it means you have seen the vote but have no opinion either way. If you just dont vote it looks like you dont care/ ignored it!
Brother Pint 21/11/2020 07:23
woops, forgot was a thing. i've been on Discord using my desktop, which for whatever reason, neither allows me nor shows my reactions (unless i go looking for them).
Brother F3 21/11/2020 08:07
didnt really see him in game but in vc he is a cool person
brother noname 21/11/2020 14:37
he's at both bases
Brother Toilet (breithan) 21/11/2020 17:11
i like how he afks a lot and doesnt have velocity on.
Brother Pint 21/11/2020 18:56
perfect for pranking
Brother Toilet (breithan) 21/11/2020 18:57
i fishing rodding him all over last lodge
Brother Oppenheimer 24/11/2020 21:31
So..... Kelvster & villicool112 for guest? plox
21:32
also Günther
21:32
all chill guys and good to talk to in vc!
brother noname 24/11/2020 21:40
kelvador and villi im not sold on yet
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 21:42
we just had a discussion on villi like a week ago
brother noname 24/11/2020 21:56
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 21:56
I will say it publically
21:56
yes to villicool
brother noname 24/11/2020 21:59
ofuck you
ßrother LordNo. 24/11/2020 21:59
I love kelvidore. If it's the same rock climbing, music making, ex-emp Kelv I know.
broder lampa
villi is cool to talk to but he's a faggot
broder lampa 24/11/2020 22:01
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:08
so true
ßrother LordNo.
I love kelvidore. If it's the same rock climbing, music making, ex-emp Kelv I know.
Brother Oppenheimer 24/11/2020 22:16
It is
Brother Floyd 24/11/2020 22:19
Me no likes villicool (edited)
22:19
I think kelvidore was here before?
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:35
what is going on here
Brother Todarac
yes to villicool
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:35
?
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:37
I can think both
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:38
uh
22:38
to me, that doesn't make sense
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:38
henry get in vc you fucking egg
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:38
im in class
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:39
[ x ] he is cool to talk to but hes a faggot [ x ] yes to having him in here
22:39
both of these facts are true
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:39
yeah why would you want a 'faggot' here
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:40
because hes cool to talk to
22:40
also when the fuck did you become auth right
22:40
why dont you like faggots
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:40
did lamp literally mean homosexual
22:41
i am almost certain he did not
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:41
what class is it
22:41
can we help
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:42
answer my question
22:42
no
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:42
answer my question
22:42
no
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:42
lol
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:42
@Brother Fruit you just got called out
22:42
you are on destiny
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:42
nope
22:42
i have it idling on my desktop
22:42
i guess
22:42
im on my laptop in class in another room
Brother Fruit
yeah why would you want a 'faggot' here
Brother Pint 24/11/2020 22:45
we asked ourselves the same thing when we were debating letting you back in (edited)
22:46
jkjk don't hate me Henwy
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:46
what have i ever done to you
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:50
holy SHIT henry just got destroyed
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:51
so true
broder lampa 24/11/2020 22:52
No i don't want villi here
22:52
I'm homophobic (edited)
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:53
based
brother noname 24/11/2020 22:53
HENRY BTFO
ßrother LordNo. 24/11/2020 22:53
My concerns with Villi is the clout chasing at any cost, and the dangerous impulsiveness. 1. Clout chasing, I have seen him switch between groups and turn on groups when there is promise of clout. 2. Impulsivity, things like raiding the Women's Discord irk me. When Clover spoke about the raid she said "...and put my girls at risk". I agree that guest should be open to people that someone members don't "like" or find annoying, that should be whatever. By anyone who has taken an action that has made a Mason feel unsafe I feel should be a line we draw.
Brother Fruit 24/11/2020 22:53
^
Brother Todarac 24/11/2020 22:54
wtf I hate villicool now
Sister Clover 24/11/2020 23:08
Brother Entropy 24/11/2020 23:16
yea i dont think villicool will happen doesnt matter that youre nice to talk to if you pissed people off it will get back at you here gunther was at the train and plays, when i look for kelv i see him raging at the 5 hours slowmode in uncool and raging at my coordinate quest no objections to those (edited)
Brother Pint 25/11/2020 00:06
i do not like vili. i've been in vcs with him before and he (occasionally) comes across as arrogant and condesending. it's a subtle thing, but it's there none the less. (edited)
Brother Pint
i do not like vili. i've been in vcs with him before and he (occasionally) comes across as arrogant and condesending. it's a subtle thing, but it's there none the less. (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 25/11/2020 20:06
haha lol, are we talking about the same villie?
Brother Pint 25/11/2020 20:54
vilicool? idk there were 2 vilis
Brother Oppenheimer 25/11/2020 21:01
I dont think there are but he has never seamed "arrogant and condesending" to me. He is always a right laugh in vc.
21:02
Thats why I want him in here, he is really fun to talk to in vc's, always have a laugh!
Brother Pint 25/11/2020 21:54
i only have one incident that stands out in my memory - and it was even like it was really there. just a hint of it. maybe it's bc it was my first real interaction with him that it stood out.
21:56
i'm not opposed to him being a guest (he is cool and levelheaded otherwise), but i'm suspicious of what he might be in te long run.
Sister Clover 25/11/2020 22:33
There's also the case that he can be different things to different people
22:34
Everyone acts slightly differently depending on who they're with
Brother Pint 26/11/2020 01:19
^
brother terbin 26/11/2020 11:15
my quote that ufo pasted above comes from this villicool context https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/566749523666534402/742554406444335155
Brother Entropy 27/11/2020 02:52
Brother Entropy pinned a message to this channel. 27/11/2020 02:56
Brother Entropy 27/11/2020 02:56
Been a month input on Rathause please
brother noname 27/11/2020 03:03
hell yea
03:03
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Brother Entropy 27/11/2020 03:05
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2apben81IV8
ßrother LordNo. 27/11/2020 03:07
This has been a super busy month for me and I haven’t really spoken with him. I will abstain for now but make an effort to get to know him more.
Brother Fruit 27/11/2020 03:11
He seems cool
Brother leijurv 27/11/2020 03:12
he placed 200k obby
eepy Joe 27/11/2020 03:34
I am a big proponent of team Rathaus
03:34
please please please
03:34
Brother Entropy 27/11/2020 03:37
so hes a pretty impressive builder, showing it at the end place been around enough done a lot of shit on the server, shown himself to be a lasting player the only reason i ever got closer to him was because i asked him how voco was doing and he said he had left tbh
Brother leijurv 27/11/2020 03:42
left voco
based department
eepy Joe 27/11/2020 03:43
We NEED him in here
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/11/2020 05:38
rathause is best hause
Brother Pint 27/11/2020 10:33
Rathause is a G-to-the-Nth°
Brother Oppenheimer 28/11/2020 22:58
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/781714017734885408 @Gebrüder Zippie
eepy Joe 29/11/2020 01:32
Kelvster seems big epic, but unless I missed something, I don't believe we discussed him. Perhaps I misunderstand guest procedure, but this seems incorrect (edited)
brother noname 29/11/2020 01:39
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/780908510799462421
eepy Joe 29/11/2020 01:40
Thank you very much ufo
eepy Joe
Kelvster seems big epic, but unless I missed something, I don't believe we discussed him. Perhaps I misunderstand guest procedure, but this seems incorrect (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 29/11/2020 07:23
Kelvidor doesn’t play anymore so it’s basically a hard no
Gebrüder Zippie
Kelvidor doesn’t play anymore so it’s basically a hard no
brother noname 29/11/2020 14:22
what
Brother Entropy 29/11/2020 14:23
he might think were talking initiate since were in this channel
14:23
but we were really just talking guest
Gebrüder Zippie 29/11/2020 14:23
Ohhhhh
14:23
Ok nvm
brother noname 29/11/2020 14:24
zippie you're not allowed to have an opinion yet either you're too new
14:24
Brother Entropy 29/11/2020 14:24
ufo shut
brother noname 29/11/2020 14:24
jk jk
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1
Brother Floyd 29/11/2020 14:43
e
Gebrüder Zippie 29/11/2020 14:43
a (edited)
Brother Floyd 29/11/2020 14:43
sportz
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:03
What if we made abstain 1/2 of a no vote
05:03
So two abstains would make a full No vote (edited)
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:06
i have literally thought about this before
05:06
but people only abstain because they dont want influence
05:06
do this and they wont vote anything
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:06
I want abstain because sometimes I feel like we’re voting before we know these people
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:06
Isn't the point to acknowledge you have seen the discussion but hold no opinion in it?
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:07
you can vote no bird
05:07
nobody will kill you
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:07
Otherwise it would make sense to ask for it to be delayed
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:07
But it’s not justice to vote no for someone I don’t know
05:07
And analytically this lack of knowledge should be reflected in the vote
05:07
By a half percentage
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:07
can we have a vote that isn't abstain, and isn't no, but is "i literally don't know them"
05:07
great
05:07
problem solved
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:08
And counts towards the vote
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:08
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:08
so there's • yes • no • i don't care • i don't know them
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:08
I don't even know who you are
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:08
ah yes it can be a thanos emoji
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:08
if you have this opinion then you should just give it when were discussing and we will delay
05:08
henry did it last time
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:08
I have no idea who rathsomething is and I would have voted no but like 1/3 of us voted abstain
05:09
So that’s a hole in the voting
05:09
A large percentage of us are literally “lol whoing” this man
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:10
i think multiple of their reasoning is above and they very much did not want to bring the % down in any way
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:10
My reasoning is I don’t want to vote no on someone who I don’t know
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:11
in the way that it was their own fault for not knowing yet
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:11
If I don’t know them we call it a half vote and if it fails they get to get to know me for a second try
05:12
I know you’re fighting hard for your train workers here Michael but we’re not the Walmart masons this is the spawnmasons
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:12
well im p convinced that if someone doesnt know rathause by now its because they themselves havent been around enough
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:13
:airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn: :airhorn:
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:13
:airhorn:
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:13
I’m here to break up the train workers union
05:14
Im in the loop I’m hip I’m jive and I still don’t know this rat guy
05:14
That rhymed
05:14
Pretty epically
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:16
theres like two possibilities you havent seen them and its because theyre not active enough > vote no you havent seen them and its because you havent been around > vote abstain
05:16
. if you are convinced of the first then you should vote no
05:17
its perfectly fair
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:17
what if everyone gaslights you into thinking they've been around but you have literally never talked to them
05:17
(speaking hypothetically)
Брат Bird
I know you’re fighting hard for your train workers here Michael but we’re not the Walmart masons this is the spawnmasons
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:18
holy fuck LOL
05:18
Shots fired
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:18
Entropys draconian sympathies have gone on long enough
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:19
that doesn’t make any sense
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:19
Yes it does
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:19
Nick i’ve fought this battle before
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:19
Do you know what draconian means
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:19
time is a flat circle (edited)
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:19
you can search this channel for paragraphs of my effortposting
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:20
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:20
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:20
raging about LiterallywhoMasons
05:20
eventually I gave up
05:20
Because the majority of the group by that point didn’t see eye to eye with me on the issue
05:20
And that was okay
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:20
I’ve always pondered literal who masons
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:20
I just stepped back and stopped caring
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:20
but at this point 1/3 of us abstained
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:20
thank you for your valuable input henry
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:21
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:21
If those 6 were no he would be at something like 56% (edited)
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:22
Rathaus is somewhat lesser known, but imo he is a perfect fit. as to the percentages i have no idea admittedly
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:22
I think i meant to vote on Rat but forgot
05:22
He seems “okay” to me but we just spoke once
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:23
nice guy, non idiot, good builder
05:23
really cant ask for much more
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:24
hes building at every base we have hes building with party com for christmas (if youre not at those bases then thats your fault) hes been in voice enough but maybe just at the bad times for certain people to catch him hes done a lot on 2b before us
05:25
_ Also bird, have this discussion before we vote and not after it the way we count votes wont change after we did it but if you want it to change we talk about it at meeting
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:25
I’m going to start my own newfag initiative to combat the train union then you’ll see
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:25
oke
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:25
Wait until the CalculatorMasons :3
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:25
I’m looking at this as an oversight in the voting abstain meaning nothing
05:26
In this circumstance those abstains could have swung the vote
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:26
calculator masons
05:26
this but unironically
05:26
this would be society if 0neb in the masons
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:27
I've debated destroying the calculator instead of bringing 0Neb tbh
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:27
?
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:27
but 0Neb will be given a high rank in the Ram Ranch Caliphate soon
05:28
but the calculator builders
05:29
i have mobilized a small army for this project
Брат Bird
In this circumstance those abstains could have swung the vote
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:30
the point of abstain is to NOT swing the vote
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:31
Okay but if we’re going off a percentage of us to get these guys in
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:31
it would be nice to add a "not yet" option
Брат Bird 30/11/2020 05:31
Why I like my idea but it’s whatever
05:32
I’ll just vote no from now on
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:32
I introduced the applicant council to try and address this issue. I wasn’t in favor of abstain because of exactly this situation, but I also wasn’t in favor of people voting in a bandwagon or not voting at all. So I tried to create a group of people I could count on to really get to know initiates to make decisions for the group
05:32
Obviously that system didn’t survive
05:33
There’s clearly no simple answer
05:34
I think that what we have now is good enough for the current incarnation of the group
Brother leijurv
it would be nice to add a "not yet" option
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:37
this option is called “No”
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:38
yes
Brother leijurv 30/11/2020 05:38
i am too much of a fucking pussy to click that button henry
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:38
its called no
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:39
lol too true
05:39
nobody wants to be seen as a dickhead
05:39
maybe blind voting
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:40
Like the IRLMasons?@!
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:42
in a perfect world: compulsory voting, no abstain, each yes/no must be accompanied by a rationale
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:42
yea i tried that
05:42
never again
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:42
how’d it turn out
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:42
people went off app com
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:42
Yeah not surprised
05:43
hence “perfect world” :P
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 05:43
:P
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 05:43
In a world of only 0Nebs
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 05:43
lmao
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 06:00
If abstain out numbers both yes and no though
06:00
Does that mean anything
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 06:03
still gets complicated
06:03
what with a person who doesnt vote
06:08
the system is fine people just need to dare to vote no when it makes sense to
06:08
and they need to discuss when i call it
06:08
and say when its too early
06:08
we got like nothing this time https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/781714017734885408
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 06:12
Yeah it’s true
06:13
I initially voted abstain because I haven’t spoken with him, but his application mixed with the fact that lots of other people know him and that he is building and active at bases made me switch to yes. I realized that it was my fault for not getting to know him more, and that I trusted my brothers
brother noname 30/11/2020 12:41
fuck abstain if you're voting abstain you aren't doing your job to get to know initiates. abstain shouldn't count for shit because it means you don't know them
Brother Entropy
well im p convinced that if someone doesnt know rathause by now its because they themselves havent been around enough
brother noname 30/11/2020 12:42
based
brother terbin 30/11/2020 14:15
rathaus is cool
2
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 17:54
ufo is right
17:54
I don't see the point of voting abstain
17:55
I think its a counterproductive react
brother noname 30/11/2020 17:55
participation
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 17:55
It's a cop out, tbh. The ostensible point is to vote even though you acknowledge you don't actually have an opinion...and that should only happen when you haven't interacted with the initiate enough to form one. In that case you should just not vote. (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 17:57
I agree, but what if participation is not a choice? What if you are super busy and haven't gotten to know the person but still want to show that you are here and paying attention to the politics enough to know there is a vote but recognize you havent put enough work into being able to make an educated vote?
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 17:58
I would just post that in this channel
17:58
The goal is to create a healthy enough system that isn't going to be looking to purge people left and right
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 17:58
true
17:59
a vote in council with only 2 yes's will speak volumes on its own, it doesnt need 13 abstains next to it. (edited)
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 18:00
Yep
18:00
And that sort of gets into the need for a human look at the votes
18:00
Not just a numerical threshold
18:01
I understand this is a bit controversial...given the terbin worshipful vote and all
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:01
yea like how entropy did the votes for worshipful last time
18:01
bad way
18:01
or so several masons have told me
brother noname
or so several masons have told me
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 18:02
this
18:02
i obviously wasn't present
18:02
but i have heard the story
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:02
infamous lore
18:03
entropy did my boy terbin so bad
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:11
when you specifically ask if its a good idea to count this way and everyone says its fine but then everyone says its bad afterwards
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:12
we shouldn't do it that way moving forward is all I'm saying
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:12
iknow
18:12
i have a plan
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 18:15
Negative_Entropy has left the game
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:17
entropy never did me bad
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:17
bee
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:17
while I thought the count was weird
Brother Floyd 30/11/2020 18:17
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:17
entropy asked before
18:17
and we agreed
18:17
on weighted average
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:17
yea but i quickly realised the problem lol
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:17
ye me too after
18:17
but
18:17
we agreed, so I couldn't complain
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:17
hindsight is 20/20
18:18
in all fairness I didn't even know how a weighted average works
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:18
ye like most issues with humans
18:18
we can solve it in the future with better communication
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:18
i also didnt want to propose the change until we need it
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:19
ye agreed, we needed some stability
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:19
we should also never vote on 4 worshipful at a time imo
18:19
one at a time was good
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:19
sounds good
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:21
(this should be in sm not app com but i couldnt care less cause its the same member slice)
18:21
the problem we had before is that we would never get rid of a worsh
18:21
unless they themselves ask to
18:22
so they would just remain indefinitely which doesnt have to be bad but it never made room for new
18:23
like how do you ask someone to step down if theyve done a fine job
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:26
well i think it should't be too bad
18:27
like when Todarac stepped down because he had no time
18:27
if you as a worshipful step down in good standing
Bromger Boomerang 30/11/2020 18:27
So no term limits whatsoever?
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:27
you will get re-elected almost 100%
18:27
like the supreme court :)
18:27
the no term limits
18:27
I think it should be just sane reasoning
18:27
if a worshipful has no time to be worshipful then he/she will step down
18:28
give space for someone who has time and energy to dedicate
Bromger Boomerang 30/11/2020 18:28
One didn't tough. Then he got mad to see his power being stripped away and he staged a coup
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:28
well but because we are the way we are
18:28
we still stand
18:29
the coup didn't work
Bromger Boomerang 30/11/2020 18:29
https://www.reddit.com/r/2b2t/comments/jvokex/spawnmasons_rise_again_smib/ Sure looks like it did
18:29
lol
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:29
if we find a worshipful should not hold the worshipful rank, we speak to that one one at a meeting
18:29
that was a fun meme
18:29
for 2 or 3 days
18:30
you know they have a public discord
18:30
that they branded highland
18:30
lotus and fluffbucket in there
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 18:30
mfw
18:30
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:30
rank grand loti
18:30
don't take these things seriously
18:30
i don't think herm wants to harm us, unless he is a very good actor (edited)
18:30
he might be a bit disgruntled perhaps
18:30
but he has other things to do
18:30
being herm
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 18:31
“Your brand is what other people say about you when you're not in the room,”
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:36
abolish all worshipfuls
1
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:42
can i start with woofo
brother noname 30/11/2020 18:47
jk we need to pack the court
18:48
we have the legislation to do it
18:48
but the question is will we
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 18:49
yes
18:49
pack the court
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 18:57
Expand the council
brother terbin 30/11/2020 18:57
not woofo
18:58
he is supposed to be there
18:58
we planned this
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 18:59
wooooo
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 19:08
i was in the call when the guardsmen temp rebrand happened and can verify it was a meme
Bromger Boomerang
https://www.reddit.com/r/2b2t/comments/jvokex/spawnmasons_rise_again_smib/ Sure looks like it did
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 19:08
.
Brother Entropy 30/11/2020 19:14
thanks for switching the topic but we were talking about the supreme court
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 19:48
lol
ßrother LordNo. 30/11/2020 20:10
yeah! sit down new blood
20:10
>>
20:10
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 20:11
4
Brother Floyd 30/11/2020 20:11
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
eepy Joe 30/11/2020 20:12
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Brother Floyd 30/11/2020 20:14
@Brother Entropy he understands us
ßrother LordNo.
I agree, but what if participation is not a choice? What if you are super busy and haven't gotten to know the person but still want to show that you are here and paying attention to the politics enough to know there is a vote but recognize you havent put enough work into being able to make an educated vote?
Brother Oppenheimer 30/11/2020 20:48
Abstain is for exactly this. You are aware of the vote but do not have an opinion so you trust your fellow brothers to make the decision for you. If you have any doubts @Brother Fruit you vote no as always.
20:49
It is just to show you have not ignored the vote but cant make an informed decision so have faith in fellow brothers
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 20:49
i guess i just don't really see the point of making it a react versus just saying "sorry wasn't able to get to know this initiate" in the chat
Brother Oppenheimer 30/11/2020 20:50
The point is some people dont say that or are in different time zones so cant do it
20:51
without abstain if people just dont vote it just looks like they ignore it altogether
20:53
If anyone has doubts about an initiate I want them to vote no! Without abstain I would vote no on all American initiates I dont have a chance to get to know. Abstain means you dont have enough info to make an informed decision so are trusting your vote to the rest of the group
20:54
If you dont feel confident in trusting you vote to the rest of the group vote no
Brother Fruit 30/11/2020 20:55
i suppose my thinking on that is that if you vote abstain it means you weren't able to meet the initiate, and i don't see what "activity" difference lies between "never spoke to the initiate" and "ignored the vote"
20:55
what's the difference between someone who never votes and someone who always abstains
Brother Oppenheimer 30/11/2020 21:02
We usually ask at meeting the week before someone is meant to be voted on "have people had a chance to get to know this person" if enough people say yes the vote is held next week. If lots say no it is postponed a week and repeat. In that weeks time you should make the effort to get to know them, if you cant do it still you then vote abstain unless you have reason to vote the other 2 answers. Abstain is a common practice in voting.
Brother Hari 30/11/2020 21:15
abstain good
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entropyanndroid 01/12/2020 00:59
I might suggest that if there is a controversy on too many abstains we may wish to reassess the criteria for active brothers and applicant committee. Having to abstain this time due to not getting to know the candidate irked me as well so I'm going to try to do better. I noticed I wasn't the only one to sit out this round however.
Brother Hari 01/12/2020 03:26
Accurate^
03:26
If you have to abstain multiple candidates in a row you maybe should not be in applicant committee (talking about myself)
eepy Joe 03/12/2020 00:27
Chipoff would be a very good guest :3
brother terbin 03/12/2020 00:32
yes
Brother Pint 03/12/2020 03:05
^
03:05
he's a good dude
03:06
funny thing is he only really knows some of us bc i leaked coords on accident
Brother Toilet (breithan) 03/12/2020 03:08
first i knew of him he attended my rusher lodge on the archive
Brother Fruit 03/12/2020 04:19
dude i LOVE chipoff
eepy Joe 03/12/2020 04:24
i first met him on the wiki about 8ish months ago, he was arguing against some of our policies, but he won a lot of respect from me, stayed incredibly respectful, so much so that he has been a valued staff member on the wiki for the last few months. He's also staff on the signed books and collectibles discord, and I liked his performance on the wiki so much that i put him as staff in the discord archive. He does a lot of stuff on the Archive itself as well.
04:26
tldr, good guy, does a lot in the community, perfect fit for here (edited)
Brother F3 03/12/2020 04:28
^ chipoff
Brother Nekramite 03/12/2020 04:56
yes
Brother Floyd 03/12/2020 07:45
Chipoff restores bases I approv
eepy Joe 03/12/2020 19:02
I love Chipoff, you love Chipoff, everyone loves Chipoff!!!
brother terbin 03/12/2020 19:03
chopoff good
19:03
i mean chipoff
eepy Joe 03/12/2020 19:05
Chipoff tulpa
broder lampa 03/12/2020 19:33
I killed him
brother terbin 03/12/2020 19:34
you've killed me too
broder lampa 03/12/2020 19:37
And i will do it again
2
brother terbin 03/12/2020 19:37
i know
broder lampa 03/12/2020 19:38
funny tnt minecarts
brother terbin 03/12/2020 19:39
:) I didn't find it fun at the time
19:39
now I do
broder lampa 03/12/2020 19:40
I know you didn't lul
19:40
but it was accident
brother terbin 03/12/2020 19:40
ye
19:40
ofc it was
19:40
...
broder lampa 03/12/2020 19:40
someone knocked them over i blame that guy
19:40
;p
brother terbin 03/12/2020 19:41
ye who was that, we were 3 at the carts
broder lampa 03/12/2020 19:42
mike or ufo
19:42
I think
Brother Floyd 04/12/2020 19:02
yes
eepy Joe 04/12/2020 19:03
YES PLEASE
Brother Oppenheimer 04/12/2020 21:39
I have never even heard of him (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 04/12/2020 21:46
He is in the archive, wiki, discord archive.
21:46
generally wherever people are doing helpful useful things for the community he is helping
Brother Fruit 04/12/2020 21:48
i LOVE chipoff
eepy Joe 04/12/2020 21:58
@ everyone
21:58
look! even the godless heartless communist likes chipoff!!
brother terbin 05/12/2020 08:35
Chipotle is so awesome
08:35
Chopoff
08:35
I mean Chipoff
08:35
100% mason mat I would say
brother terbin
Chipotle is so awesome
Brother Todarac 05/12/2020 09:39
so true
Brother Fruit 05/12/2020 12:49
lmao
broder lampa 05/12/2020 23:55
I'd like to put @Brother leijurv on trial
1
brother noname 05/12/2020 23:56
on trial
Brother leijurv 05/12/2020 23:56
doctored screenshot
Brother Entropy 05/12/2020 23:57
lolle
23:57
wrong channel tho lamp
broder lampa 05/12/2020 23:57
How
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 04:04
bruh come on now
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/12/2020 04:05
it has been almost 2 months for clav
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 04:07
tbh it made me want to vote no
04:07
self fulfilling prophecy
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 04:07
^ this basically
Brother Wailn 27/12/2020 04:27
Yeah it was an unnecessary comment
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 04:47
Let’s keep in mind it’s the holidays and these can be challenging emotional times
3
04:47
Please
Brother Fruit
bruh come on now
Brother Floyd 27/12/2020 11:49
I don't like
brother terbin 27/12/2020 12:23
same
Brother Casparov 27/12/2020 13:23
very pessimistic mindset
13:23
pretty unpogchamp
brother noname 27/12/2020 13:38
not very funny or cool
broder lampa 27/12/2020 13:43
I laughed
13:43
at his crying
brother noname 27/12/2020 13:43
he never even responded to my dm
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 14:22
has anyone talked to him about this?
14:22
not that we need to
14:22
but
brother noname 27/12/2020 14:23
yes?
14:23
oh no
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 14:23
about his comment
brother noname 27/12/2020 14:23
I thought you meant about before
14:23
yea no
14:24
not yet
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 14:24
i'll talk to him about it then, since (i think) i'm one of the people here closer to him (edited)
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 14:25
clav puts in a lot of work and he fits our criteria but why does he come over so distant
14:26
this is more context if anyone is lost https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353428205723713536/787720094104944650
brother noname 27/12/2020 14:30
maybe he didn't even read it lmfao
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 14:48
pulling from my own experience: when i was a guest, as well as an initiate, i felt like there was this vague and special "thing" or set of things i had to do or prove in order for me to get accepted in. it was frustrating, unclear, and perplexing to me and honestly felt stupid. Boom and Terbin, among others, notably, pushed me along (thankfully), but the one thing i distinctly remember Boom (and maybe Terbin) saying, was: "talk more", which, to me - a mildly insecure and over-thinking person who doesn't like to talk in unfamiliar settings - left me going: "??? wtf ???". i eventually just gave up on trying to "prove" myself and just tried to act like i was a member of the group... which lead to me participating in a level of interaction - with a lot of people i didn't know all that well - that was waaay beyond what i was comfortable with. a lot of what i said in vcs and channels didn't stick with the convos at the time (i felt), which left me feeling hopeless... but eventually really surprised and confused when i, one day (out of nowhere), had a green name.
14:48
i'm defending what he said - i don't like it at all - but i'm trying to defend the position he's in (edited)
brother noname 27/12/2020 14:49
yea I think that's a fair pov I felt similar when I joined goo
14:49
too
14:49
and that was a long time ago
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 14:49
on top of that, he is active duty (on medical leave) with a few tours under his belt, as well as being in his mid 30s (edited)
14:53
a combination that can mean a lot of pessimism regarding social interactions. i've heard a few vets mention how different the social environments are in and outside of the military and that it isn't an easy transition usually.
14:53
all that to say, i'll talk to him, and that that this might not be as pouty as it seems. (edited)
brother noname 27/12/2020 14:54
good things to consider^
brother terbin 27/12/2020 15:27
understandable - that's why I wrote DarkXL this when he joined the discord. Since I knew him before. Perhaps someone can do something similar to clav, so it's not so vague what he has to do
15:27
15:27
15:28
help a future brother out
3
brother terbin 27/12/2020 15:46
ufo did the same for me
15:47
so if his friends think he is a good fit for the masons, I expect his friends to help him get in
1Charlie3 27/12/2020 15:48
i think ufo and terbin and maybe scribble did this for me too
brother terbin 27/12/2020 15:49
who invited clav?
15:49
or asked for him to join?
brother noname 27/12/2020 15:55
i think lordno or warlord?
15:59
15:59
ive been there lmfao
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:00
several have, many then lost interest, some stayed
16:00
lordno warlord, could you contact clav? I think he didn't answer ufo's message? (might be wrong) just ask him to mingle, get to know people
16:01
but you DMed P529 right ufo? I feel it's a bit different reaching out to a brother than to write like that in general. (edited)
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:01
yea
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:01
but that might be because he doesn't know how to reach out
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:01
he didnt respond to mine
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:02
ye so I think our best bet is to have the people who know him best reaching out to him
16:02
Find it very strange though that he didn't answer you
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:02
same
1Charlie3 27/12/2020 16:11
sometimes people type out answers to dms and dont send them
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:11
yes
16:11
by accident you mean?
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:12
i prefer
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:12
but that's why we are just saying it's strange - and that it would be cool if lordo/warlord would reach out
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:12
people that type
16:12
like this
16:12
:))
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:12
ufo must love me
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:12
i do
16:12
cause i know you are writing what you are thinking:)
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:12
it's bad
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:12
as you type
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:12
I am
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:12
16:12
i do it too just less
16:12
lmfao
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:13
brothers
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:13
brother
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:14
anyway as last time we spoke about clav - I feel we are looking for solutions, not trying to block his entry. That's why, again, it would be cool if the people who would like to invite him @ßrother LordNo. @WarLordN1k ? would speak with him
16:19
Porkchop for at least honorary mason
Brother F3 27/12/2020 16:19
porkchop for spawn mason
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:19
he does not meet the requirements yes
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:19
porkchop for sm
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:19
but
16:19
still
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:19
what requirements
Brother F3 27/12/2020 16:19
he does meet most of them
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:19
being in VC
Brother F3 27/12/2020 16:19
he is active on 2b
16:20
oh
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:20
being in VC
16:20
is very important
16:20
but
16:20
we have bent the rules so many times
Brother F3 27/12/2020 16:20
yea true :/
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:20
porkman has proven himself on 2b (edited)
16:20
many times over
16:20
100k wdl project
16:20
I have a base by him on the archive :)
Brother F3 27/12/2020 16:20
why doesnt he go in vcs?
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:20
many old masons don't either
16:20
no clue tho
16:20
and I can't count the amount of times he has helped me on the archive
16:20
hours many hours
16:21
I think anyone involved in the 100k project can say he was invaluable
16:21
he's trustworthy
16:21
stable
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:21
he said he would never play with us or come to lodges
16:21
he doesnt talk in vc
16:21
i dont even consider
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:21
ye and I get that
16:21
he doesn't fit the requirements
16:21
but
16:21
leijurv said similar things before
16:22
up to the group, but I think strongly he should be SM
Brother Entropy
he said he would never play with us or come to lodges
Brother F3 27/12/2020 16:22
that kinda sounds like he doesnt want to be a spawn mason? :0 :/
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:22
he's different from others in so many ways
16:22
he doesn't mind
16:22
if he is one or not
16:22
and I think that's cool
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:22
i dont need people that wont come do stuff with us
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:22
you are not the group though
16:22
and
16:22
if we have future projects that require coding
16:22
he would be an invaluable asset
16:23
such as the spawn logo
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:23
he was initiate
16:23
already
16:23
hello
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:23
Entropy I know you are just doing the "i follow the rules"
16:23
but
16:23
that's not really what we are known for
broder lampa 27/12/2020 16:23
He should still be a brother
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:23
ye
broder lampa 27/12/2020 16:23
But maybe not get the mason rank
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:23
ye
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:24
idc how herm kept not following them
16:24
that doesnt justify
brother terbin 27/12/2020 16:24
ye all valid points
16:24
but it could still be voted on
Brother Entropy
i dont even consider
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:34
you aren't everyone
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:35
im one vote
16:36
just saying that anyone in this situation i would vote no on
16:38
also this is not a leijurv case
16:38
pork was initiate for a month and he still didnt talk or come to lodges (edited)
1Charlie3 27/12/2020 16:40
porkchop was initiate?
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:41
2m ago
Brother Entropy
2m ago
brother noname 27/12/2020 16:47
why is there no vote on him?
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 16:54
because in the meeting i asked to take it as theres no point to even vote cause hes never here and everyone agreed
brother terbin 27/12/2020 17:05
yea I shouldn't complain tbh if I don't come to meetings (which I haven't in a while)
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 17:31
I would not support porkchop for initiate, much as I do like the guy; entropyman is correct
brother terbin 27/12/2020 17:32
the good old mason rule debate :)
17:32
but
17:32
since he doesn't care whether he is a mason or not and it would only stir up shit
17:32
not really a point making him a mason or even voting I guess
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 17:32
Very true, why is this a discussion
brother terbin 27/12/2020 17:32
because he should be
17:32
in my opinion, in lamps opinion
17:32
and perhaps in ufos
17:35
but it should not cause strife or discord
Bromger Boomerang 27/12/2020 17:41
Is there an initiate chat? Would be funny to have an initiate chat that no one can read except the initiates. They could write in there whatever they want, but once they are initiated they can't any more. I wonder what kind of messages would build up there. (edited)
1Charlie3 27/12/2020 17:42
only 1 message per initiate
Bromger Boomerang 27/12/2020 17:43
No no. As many as they want. It can be for casual conversations, or for deep personal monologues of those guys that are by themselves. They can use it like a daily diary... Whatever they want. (edited)
brother noname 27/12/2020 18:23
>has contributed countless hours in the name of masons and 2b in general entropymen: nope they don't talk in vc
brother terbin 27/12/2020 18:23
I can understand why entropy does it - in the past a lot of conflicts have been fought over not following the rules
18:24
but
18:24
I agree with Boomerang's statement here 100% https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/570364331548475392/792812103806615562
brother noname 27/12/2020 18:25
I think there is a difference between following the rules one initiated but the rules to get in have never been set in stone and never will be
18:25
imo
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 18:26
18:26
does he want to be a mason?
brother noname 27/12/2020 18:26
I want him to be
brother terbin 27/12/2020 18:26
I think the fact that he doesn't mind too much whether he is or not is a reason more to invite him, given his track record
18:26
and what ufo said
brother noname 27/12/2020 18:27
agreed
brother terbin 27/12/2020 18:28
https://2b2t.miraheze.org/wiki/DaPorkchop
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 18:29
so its kidnapping for our own posterity?
18:29
brother terbin 27/12/2020 18:29
looking up posterity
18:29
kidnapping sounds about right :)
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 18:29
posterity I've used incorrectly
18:30
ostentatiousness (edited)
18:32
either way I am not against it, just trying to understand it
brother terbin 27/12/2020 18:37
no it's because we all 3 genuinely feel daporkchop is very valuable to the group
18:39
lamp is not easily persuaded to like or trust someone, he says he wants someone in and keeps pushing for it, it means something. (edited)
18:39
to me anyway
18:40
separately from my own motivation, I wrote about before
18:40
but it's again the question - what do we want this group to be
18:41
people who play with us and join in game? People's motivations are so different. Jordan likes to invite people he has fun with in other games for example, people he likes to hang out with. Lamp's I feel are more of a what can that person do and so many other views (edited)
18:41
that's why the masons are so different from the others
1Charlie3 27/12/2020 18:48
i feel daporkchop is kind of an exception to the activity rule because his contributions are so great
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 19:00
rulemasons
19:00
votemasons (edited)
brother terbin 27/12/2020 19:01
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 19:23
ShortbusMasons
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 19:31
If porkchop wanted to be a mason, he would already be one (edited)
19:31
I just dont think he wants too that badly lol
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 19:32
kidnapping for ostentatiousness
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 19:32
thats what we've historically done here
19:33
herm was notorious for getting people in the group just because they were "big names"
19:33
and to this day probably still wants fit in the group
19:33
(if he was still here (praise be unto him (smib)))
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 19:33
Mashallah
brother terbin 27/12/2020 19:38
agree Todarac on everything you say
19:39
have confronted herm on also in here and said I don't like that
19:39
don't feel daporkchop is a big name
19:39
not about the name at all
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 19:40
He was big in 2017 lol, I remember seeing his posts all the time
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 19:41
well herm is gone
19:41
irrelevant to this discussion
ßrother LordNo.
kidnapping for ostentatiousness
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 19:42
was replying to this
19:42
big herm energy
19:42
"get this guy in because his name is recognizeable!!"
19:43
I think we've transcended that mindset, because instead of getting """big players""" in here, we invite anyone with talent, and then they end up becoming big players with the stuff we do in here
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 19:44
And as I said before, I’m not against it. But being clear about motive can help people understand. If the goal is getting big names in here, their projected activity levels are irrelevant. So it helps keep the discussion on point and away from irrelevant tangents (edited)
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 19:45
man
19:45
I just want cool people to talk to in vc and also people who are good at building
19:45
thats my honest criteria
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 19:47
friendship and building are major spokes in the wheel of masonitude
19:48
as are technical aptitude and creativity
broder lampa 27/12/2020 19:50
We want pork in here because he already is a big part of the masons, he is "unkickable guest" why not just make him a brother as well, he wants to help with the creative, he is called honorary mason because he does a lot for the masons, everything except talk
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 19:50
in my limited time here I never saw Casparov really say anything until the coding challenge recently. He, Leijurv, Babba, Ox, and others talked everyday. Perhaps the creative endeavours of development are a language some masons prefer to communicate in. And in that respect, porkchop may offer interactions with people like Lamp and Terbin that no one else here can offer. That is valuable as well
19:53
I am now 100% onboard with bringing him in, because he can fulfil a want/need of the technical masons that many of us cannot, and what is community if not a group of people working together to fulfil each others wants and needs
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Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 19:56
this
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:09
he still has to come to his initiation and say the speech can he even do that
broder lampa 27/12/2020 20:11
i think so
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:18
well we got me todarac lamp Henry lord no and terbin (edited)
20:18
vs one measly entropy
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:20
I mean even if hes in here, hes PROBABLY going to be as active in vc and text as he currently is
20:20
aka
20:20
not at all
20:20
you guys just want to give him the honorary blue name for some reason
20:20
I think thats where entropy is coming from
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:21
shut up
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:21
okay
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:21
20:21
we just bring it up till it happens
20:21
now
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:22
can we argue about the Abstain in voice for 30 minutes
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brother noname 27/12/2020 20:22
yes
20:22
we should delete abstain
20:22
useless
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:22
jordan is shaking and crying right now
broder lampa 27/12/2020 20:22
he already is a big part and will be an even bigger part when he hosts the creative server, why not just make him blue
Brother Entropy
i dont need people that wont come do stuff with us
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:24
Bromger Boomerang
No no. As many as they want. It can be for casual conversations, or for deep personal monologues of those guys that are by themselves. They can use it like a daily diary... Whatever they want. (edited)
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:26
initiate pergatory. this is what they get for all that time spent not in the Masons
Brother Pint
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:31
it's a horrible cope. guaranteed he would do stuff with us in game
Brother Nekramite 27/12/2020 20:34
is a monster that never should've existed
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:36
are we discussing one's brother potential? (edited)
Brother Nekramite 27/12/2020 20:36
we're not kidnapping porkchop
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:36
brother potential
brother noname
it's a horrible cope. guaranteed he would do stuff with us in game
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:38
i was gonna say something along the lines of "this is how coups begin", but settled with the eyes
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:39
game theory: lamp has some crazy ulterior motive for getting porkchop in here and its all part of his master plan
ßrother LordNo. 27/12/2020 20:40
something something....he's already mason, what damage could his bot do if we gave it full rights on the discord server...
Brother Pint
i was gonna say something along the lines of "this is how coups begin", but settled with the eyes
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:40
lmfaooo
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/12/2020 20:40
hes not a mason tho
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:40
it's a joke
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/12/2020 20:41
o
Brother Nekramite 27/12/2020 20:41
porkchop has yuge 2017 clout, but yea I'm surprised he isn't that active
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/12/2020 20:41
i havent seen him in text or voice ever
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:42
i'm for porkchop getting in. would like for him to particiapte socially somewhat, tho. maybe at the least given him some new role that designates his honorary position in the Masons
Brother Todarac
can we argue about the Abstain in voice for 30 minutes
Brother leijurv 27/12/2020 20:43
i probably should not have done that
20:43
oh my god grimacing cat
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 20:43
Holy shit
Brother leijurv 27/12/2020 20:43
i love elon
20:43
these emojis are great
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 20:43
My anti abstain brothers
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:44
i do fully agree, tho, that socializing is an essential aspect of our brotherhood (edited)
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 20:44
I wish i could’ve been at the meeting to argue about it ;_;
broder lampa 27/12/2020 20:44
maybe he shouldn't get the spawnmason rank but get initiated and have the brother ranks - he's more than a guest at least that's for sure
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/12/2020 20:44
we should abstain from arguing
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broder lampa 27/12/2020 20:44
pork has been with the masons very long
Brother Toilet (breithan) 27/12/2020 20:44
but whats he done?
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:45
scroll up
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:45
abstain lodge incoming
Brother Nekramite 27/12/2020 20:45
just give him the brother rank and nothing else?
Brother Todarac
abstain lodge incoming
Brother leijurv 27/12/2020 20:46
holy lol
Brother Toilet (breithan)
but whats he done?
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:47
actually don't scroll up bc there isn't really anything there.
broder lampa 27/12/2020 20:47
a lot on the sidelines maybe not much in game but he was big help with 100k project and he continues to be a very helpful and smart guy, it makes sense to me to make him a brother if he is going to be hosting the creative server, i think most people already trust him too
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 20:48
apologies brothers: i was scheduled to create the lodge this week but i couldn’t think of anything so i have abstained
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Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:49
added to the excuse list
20:49
and also the execute list
Brother Fruit
I wish i could’ve been at the meeting to argue about it ;_;
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:53
you could simply do that by coming to meetings
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 20:53
lmao what
20:53
I wasn’t able to come
20:53
As i just said
brother noname 27/12/2020 20:53
u never come
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 20:53
I’m usually busy
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 20:54
excuses above me
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brother noname
you could simply do that by coming to meetings
Brother Pint 27/12/2020 20:59
destroyed
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 23:17
If there is so much talk about bending the rules, perhaps changing them is a better option. This is also essentially a nonissue aa porkchop is barely around. He's a cool guy, a smart one too; he's also not around. I cannot, and will not vote for the initiation of an AFKMason. He's not consistantly active, perhaps that's alright for individuals who are already members, but imo it should not be for someone we are considering for membership. Should he become active consistently, I would be very happy to have him as a bro. Until that day comes, however, I cannot vote in favor of his membership.
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 23:20
there are no rules on what we require lol
23:22
idk why it was brought up in the first place
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 23:22
^
23:22
Literally nonissue
Brother Entropy 27/12/2020 23:22
there is only group expectation and votes
eepy Joe 27/12/2020 23:23
The only right is popular opinion
Brother Todarac 27/12/2020 23:27
the only right is what we decide with a vote
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23:27
@Brother Fruit do you agree
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 23:29
slurp on my node
brother noname 27/12/2020 23:29
ahhh yea lets change the rules we dont have chefs kiss
23:30
>does stuff for masons, is called an afkmason
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 23:30
here are the epic guidelines
brother noname 27/12/2020 23:30
big sad
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 23:30
`Our requirements are quite loose but what we look for are people that -have done and still do exceptional things on 2b (this could be highly technical, organisational, aesthetic, ...) -are actively playing and are likely to keep playing in the long run -want to join us for meetings at spawn (Saturday 22 GMT) and build with us until the heat death of the universe -want to learn to know our group and talk in voice In the end we are a brotherhood, a group of friends, so in order to join you need to become a friend.`
23:30
brother noname 27/12/2020 23:30
rules are meant to be broken
Brother Fruit 27/12/2020 23:30
soooo true
Brother Pint 28/12/2020 16:24
sent Clav that message (finally) (edited)
brother noname 28/12/2020 16:35
what'd he say
Brother Pint 28/12/2020 17:32
nothing yet
ßrother LordNo.
in my limited time here I never saw Casparov really say anything until the coding challenge recently. He, Leijurv, Babba, Ox, and others talked everyday. Perhaps the creative endeavours of development are a language some masons prefer to communicate in. And in that respect, porkchop may offer interactions with people like Lamp and Terbin that no one else here can offer. That is valuable as well
brother terbin 29/12/2020 09:57
I shared this with casparov - here's what he said
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10:01
ah nice Casparov can see this now. awesome
10:05
not trying to push for it, just trying to show that value can be provided by other things than in game activity and we are a very diverse group.
Brother Casparov 29/12/2020 10:14
When it comes to it in general, people have criteria about the people they enjoy being around. Whether you want to admit that or not is all your choice, but when it comes to anything in life you gotta make some informed decision, especially when making a friend. I think entropy is right, not because it is a thing we've done before (iirc the "must be in vc" and "must do things" wasn't a rule we followed to the T) but because it helps people decide whether or not to continue interacting with someone. Thats how communities work irl too. (edited)
10:19
juuust for some clarification that was in reference to this: https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/792789523116589079
Brother Casparov
When it comes to it in general, people have criteria about the people they enjoy being around. Whether you want to admit that or not is all your choice, but when it comes to anything in life you gotta make some informed decision, especially when making a friend. I think entropy is right, not because it is a thing we've done before (iirc the "must be in vc" and "must do things" wasn't a rule we followed to the T) but because it helps people decide whether or not to continue interacting with someone. Thats how communities work irl too. (edited)
Brother Casparov 29/12/2020 10:27
thus, if he isn't active with us in discord or in game, it would be best if we did not give him initiate (edited)
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Gebrüder Zippie 29/12/2020 21:47
what do u guys think about rain getting initiate?
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1Charlie3 29/12/2020 21:48
eepy Joe 29/12/2020 21:55
Brother Rathause 29/12/2020 21:59
idk I think she’s a nice person and a good artist but she’s also quite new and has done some unintelligent things like sharing ratted clients. I like her but I don’t think I would support giving her initiate yet
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22:00
I do support mango for initiate tho
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Gebrüder Zippie 29/12/2020 22:00
true
22:00
i feel that
Brother Floyd 29/12/2020 22:07
She's too new I think
22:08
Lacks experience
Brother Pint 29/12/2020 23:23
not yet. idk much about her, but she's pretty cool from my few interactions with her
23:23
she seems just a tad too naive atm.
23:25
i never got a message back from Clav btw - even tho he responded to something else i said to him afterwords
23:28
doesn't mean he doesn't listen or care entirely... i do the same thing a lot - irl, tho. he might just be taking it in and attempting an "action instead of words" approach
23:28
fingers crossed
23:29
i'd give him till keep initiate till the 15th at the latest if possible
Brother Toilet (breithan) 30/12/2020 00:10
Clav is cool. But at this point now with people msging him and it being so long since he got initiate, he probably feels like he has to perform or something to get in or that some people dont like him.
1Charlie3
brother noname 30/12/2020 00:19
repub
Brother Toilet (breithan)
Clav is cool. But at this point now with people msging him and it being so long since he got initiate, he probably feels like he has to perform or something to get in or that some people dont like him.
Brother Pint 30/12/2020 00:28
it might just be best to completely leave him alone at this point and see what he does with what has been said to him
brother noname 30/12/2020 00:30
hopefully no more disparaging remarks (edited)
Brother Pint 30/12/2020 00:46
^
ßrother LordNo. 30/12/2020 01:31
Or we can just vote on him and see how it goes
Brother Floyd 30/12/2020 06:26
Honestly I somewhat like Clav but I don't think he's Mason material
06:27
Plus I really didn't like his self irony I saw a few days ago
06:29
I mean when I got initiate I was hyped as fuck man lmao
brother terbin 30/12/2020 09:07
Really makes me dislike that he doesn’t Answer pint or Ufo
09:07
Clav is a clear no for me
09:07
As much as I like him, don’t feel he fits
09:09
This is just too weird
Brother Casparov 31/12/2020 01:56
what the consensus on Raaanch in terms of his initiation?
Brother Entropy 31/12/2020 01:56
hes yellow
Brother Casparov 31/12/2020 01:57
initiation
01:58
I meant blue
Brother Entropy 31/12/2020 01:58
he will be yellow for weeks to come
Brother Casparov 31/12/2020 01:58
right
01:58
whats the process
Brother Entropy 31/12/2020 01:58
longer than 5 days
Brother Casparov 31/12/2020 01:58
idk if its changed or not lol
01:58
ah okay
Brother Toilet (breithan) 31/12/2020 02:08
raaanch good
1Charlie3 31/12/2020 02:10
raaanch good
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Brother Pint 31/12/2020 02:53
Raaanch good
Brother Todarac 31/12/2020 04:30
raaanch good
eepy Joe 31/12/2020 05:18
Raaanch GREAT
brother terbin 31/12/2020 08:04
Yes
Brother Entropy 01/01/2021 13:02
we could do this https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/793621671789330492 but clavs been initiate for 2 months now and if people know theyre gonna vote no regardless we should better vote
Brother Floyd 01/01/2021 13:04
still a no from me
Brother Entropy 01/01/2021 13:04
13:09
if he doesnt pass i hope hell stick around and get closer to people because then hell have much better chances
1Charlie3 01/01/2021 17:47
i thought he got kicked from emperium not drifted away
17:47
because he was friends with sikpops
Gebrüder Zippie 01/01/2021 17:49
yep he got kicked for being frineds with sikpops
1Charlie3 01/01/2021 17:51
yeah lmfao i vividly remember that
eepy Joe 01/01/2021 17:55
Eh, being kicked from emp is a selling point to me
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Brother Oppenheimer 01/01/2021 18:06
@Brother Todarac is very bias, votes no on charlie because he "dose not like it when people leave and rejoin quickly" charlie was gone for like 4+ months, nick is gone for 2 weeks and he votes yes! just saying
Brother Todarac 01/01/2021 18:07
I knew this was coming lol
18:08
im not a fan of people leaving but atleast he announced it and explained privately it was for mental health reasons
Brother Oppenheimer 01/01/2021 18:23
charlie did, for school
Brother Todarac
im not a fan of people leaving but atleast he announced it and explained privately it was for mental health reasons
Brother leijurv 01/01/2021 19:02
ironic
Brother Pint 01/01/2021 19:10
iirc, most of us didn't know anything until a little while afterwords.
1Charlie3 01/01/2021 19:11
ok so i guess maybe i should type something up about me leaving
1Charlie3 01/01/2021 19:19
So I left the masons because of a combination of what had happened over the past few months and me wanting to step away for school. It's pretty hard for me to regulate time on something like 2b because it can be a bit of an addiction. I didn't leave the masons on a whim, I just started with the masons. I left all other discords a week or two later so I can understand why it may come off that I left the masons for no reason but that really wasn't the case. The first day when everyone was messaging me why I left, I maybe didn't give a thorough explanation because I hadn't fully decided wether I would leave all discords or stay in some. But I did tell people afterwards why I really left and from what I've seen they have relayed that to the group. I didn't want to announce to the entire group why I'm leaving because it isn't necessary and I didn't want to go into full explanation. I'm not gonna respond to old messages from before I was back in because I don't feel like it, but to this https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/794628053883027486 I definitely did respond privately, to multiple people in fact, just maybe not to you. I don't think it is realistic for someone who is trying to quit to tell every single person privately why I am.
Brother Fruit 01/01/2021 20:12
^^^^^
20:12
go off king
20:12
I think it is completely unrealistic to expect people to prioritize a video game group over their own life
20:13
If someone needs to leave to recalibrate their 24 inch gauge (lol) i don’t see a problem with that
20:13
It makes no sense to hold that against someone
20:13
We all have different ways of dealing with stress etc
5
20:13
We should respect that about our fellow brothers
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Brother Oppenheimer
@Brother Todarac is very bias, votes no on charlie because he "dose not like it when people leave and rejoin quickly" charlie was gone for like 4+ months, nick is gone for 2 weeks and he votes yes! just saying
brother noname 01/01/2021 20:47
extremely based
1Charlie3
So I left the masons because of a combination of what had happened over the past few months and me wanting to step away for school. It's pretty hard for me to regulate time on something like 2b because it can be a bit of an addiction. I didn't leave the masons on a whim, I just started with the masons. I left all other discords a week or two later so I can understand why it may come off that I left the masons for no reason but that really wasn't the case. The first day when everyone was messaging me why I left, I maybe didn't give a thorough explanation because I hadn't fully decided wether I would leave all discords or stay in some. But I did tell people afterwards why I really left and from what I've seen they have relayed that to the group. I didn't want to announce to the entire group why I'm leaving because it isn't necessary and I didn't want to go into full explanation. I'm not gonna respond to old messages from before I was back in because I don't feel like it, but to this https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/794628053883027486 I definitely did respond privately, to multiple people in fact, just maybe not to you. I don't think it is realistic for someone who is trying to quit to tell every single person privately why I am.
Brother Pint 01/01/2021 20:56
i hope we've made it clear that we are not hung up on you leaving all those months ago: just whether or not leaving like that is acceptable at all.
20:57
which, i think, we're all starting to come to the same consensus on.
Brother Todarac 01/01/2021 20:58
Yeah I agree with everything thats been said. Especially henry. I just have my own (admittedly subjective) views on """the correct way to leave""" that people disagree with. Which is fine.
20:59
And the reason I hold those views is because I personally view the masons in high regard, as some honorable and respectable group to be a part of (lol larp)
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Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 01:02
imo clav hasnt rly made much of an effort to get to meet ppl
01:02
i dont have anything against the guy
01:02
but i feel like hes not all that invested
Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 01:02
Yes this
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 01:03
i havent talked to him once since he joined
01:03
and ive been in vc quiet a bit
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 01:04
hes invested in game, like really put the effort in he built a lodge, built at every base we have going and helped party com a lot but not invested enough socially i guess
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 01:04
ive been in voice with him a couple times
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 01:10
This vote is disappointing. He is a good builder, hard worker, somewhat social, in vc sometimes.
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 01:11
yh imma vote abstain and trust the ppl that actually know him
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 01:11
But, the whole point of voting and democracy is that what’s better for the whole is what happens. So if that many people feel it is better for the masons as a whole that clav doesn’t join, then I’m glad we have a system in place that allows that to happen. Even if I feel a little disappointing because of it.
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 01:11
but i feel like hes not rly made an effort to get to get to know ppl
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 01:12
Lastly, there are lots of brothers who didn’t make their first votes as well. So it’s not like we are going to ban him if he fails his vote
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 01:12
yep
Gebrüder Zippie
but i feel like hes not rly made an effort to get to get to know ppl
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 01:12
This does seem to be general consensus
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 01:12
yh
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 01:19
God i feel conflicted on this
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ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 01:24
I wouldn’t worry :). This isn’t the end of the road unless he quits because he doesn’t get in
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 01:35
And if he does that we dodged a bullet anyway
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 01:41
i feel like a lot of people voted based on that one comment. "im not expecting to get in" one comment he might just had a bad night and it had been 2 months since he got initiate. hes been very active in game and has been in voice at least a few times. its not like i was in voice any more than him when i was initiate.
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 01:53
yeah, he's exceptionally active in-game
01:54
but i'm a little off-put by his reluctance to respond to dms, and the self-defeating remark in chat - tho that could've just been an insensitive joke (edited)
01:57
i'd vote yes, simple bc i don't believe one has to be incredibly active socially to be apart of the group
02:02
and i'm referencing people like Babba, Wailn, Nordic etc...: people who are in here, talk from time to time, but attribute something to the group on their own way
Brother Pint
i'd vote yes, simple bc i don't believe one has to be incredibly active socially to be apart of the group
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:23
i agree with this but i don’t think it totally applies to this situation. what you described above isn’t simply “social inactivity” — i find it very worrisome that Clav has repeatedly expressed concern/dissatisfaction about his time as an initiate but has ignored multiple attempts to reach out & discuss that w/ him
02:24
To me it seems a bit childish and reminds me of McNeo, to be brutally honest
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02:25
I’m conflicted because he seems cool otherwise but this is a bit too big of a red flag for me to vote yes right now
Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 02:28
I really hate
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 02:29
abstain frustrates me
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:29
I want to vote yes — but I don’t think I can ignore my gut feeling on this
Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 02:29
I feel you
02:34
He is a cool dud, just a shame he put up a lot of red flags
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 02:34
^
3
02:35
i feel bad voting no, and i am not okay with voting yes
3
02:35
AbstainMasons
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Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 02:35
psssh just grow a pair and vote the way you feel
3
1
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 02:35
I am voting the way i feel :3
3
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 02:36
yes if you have info and fellings on it then abstain is not for oyu
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ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 02:36
Abstain isn’t a real feeling!
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Brother Todarac
psssh just grow a pair and vote the way you feel
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:36
so fucking true!!!
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ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 02:36
Real feelings are feelings like yes, and no
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eepy Joe 02/01/2021 02:36
well i'm not changing my vote u_u
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:36
god the redpills are lethal tonight
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Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 02:36
`Abstain isn’t a real feeling` can I get this on a shirt please
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ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 02:36
lol
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:37
joey spamming
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02:38
mods mods mods mods mods
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Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 02:38
MODS HELP AAAAAAAAAA
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Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 02:38
Ok I vouch to remove abstain
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3
3
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:39
Sooo true
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brother noname 02/01/2021 02:40
fuck abstain
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1
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:40
why did ufo abstain his own anti abstain post
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02:40
we need a task force to look into this
3
02:40
Mods actually need to shut this down and by mods i mean entropy
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eepy Joe 02/01/2021 02:41
ABSTAIN
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:41
@Brother Entropy mods mods mods mods mods
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02:41
i need a janny immediately
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brother noname 02/01/2021 02:42
@⋅
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Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 02:42
he shleep
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brother noname 02/01/2021 02:43
give me ultra worshipful back @Brother Entropy
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 02:43
dumpstered
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eepy Joe 02/01/2021 02:43
Calculated
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ßrother LordNo.
Abstain isn’t a real feeling!
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 03:12
it's called apathy, and facts don't care about your feelings
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 03:18
clav vote is 666 rn
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 03:18
cursed
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 03:20
time for a new degree unironically
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 03:21
degree of the month
03:21
and delete the spawnmasons when we get to 33
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 03:21
I’m calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering abstain voting in the United States SpawnMasons until our country's representatives Worshipfuls can figure out what is going on. (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 03:59
Henry quoting trump to further his own anti-democratic agenda. 2020 changed us all.
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 04:13
getting rid of non-votes is anti democratic?
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 04:16
Categorizing abstain as a non-vote! Who even are you anymore man?
04:16
for the record this is all a meme
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 04:22
Henry you have made me (and my cat, tulpa, cat's tulpa, and my tulpa's cat) cry with your RAILING against Abstain VOTES
04:22
This is so sad
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 04:23
If only you guys could see how hard henry popped off against abstain votes in my DMs
04:23
the man is full of HATE and VITRIOL against abstain
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 04:29
abstain as virtue signaling that you aren't slacking off, you are actually making a deliberate choice to not vote: i sleep trying to make abstain have any meaning or effect of any kind: real shit (edited)
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 04:53
i don't really know what you're trying to communicate here
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 04:55
i saw that
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 04:55
Brother Pint
i saw that
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 04:55
wrong image
Brother Fruit
i don't really know what you're trying to communicate here
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 04:57
neither lel
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:01
we should treat as 3/5 a vote (edited)
Brother Rathause 02/01/2021 05:08
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:13
in all seriousness tho, we should deliberately and intentionally look into other voting systems (edited)
05:15
and dedicate a lodge or meeting to hashing this issue out
Brother Fruit
i don't really know what you're trying to communicate here
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:16
this is what happens when you dont come to meetings
05:16
you missed a great argument (on exactly that topic)
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:18
i've been speaking with todarac for hours about abstain
05:18
i just need you to actually use words instead of some banal format
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Brother Fruit
i've been speaking with todarac for hours about abstain
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:19
ok?
Brother Pint
and dedicate a lodge or meeting to hashing this issue out
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:19
that way, we don't go on rabbit trails and derail however many lodges over the next few weeks/months
Brother leijurv
ok?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:19
so i understand
05:19
the concept
05:19
but i can't decipher what your actual opinion is
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:21
half the abstainers into both yes and no
05:21
makes for more accurate voting
Brother Fruit
but i can't decipher what your actual opinion is
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:21
pretty sure he's against .
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:21
okay but the definition of "abstain" is not "0.5 yes and 0.5 no"
05:22
anyone who votes abstain should just be removed
05:22
and then only the yes and no's are counted
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:22
yes but most people who vote abstain use it as a scapegoat for the fact they are 0.5 yes and 0.5 no
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:22
the "definition" of any emote is how we decide to interpret it in the rules, any other arguments about what it "should" mean are irrelevant
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:22
a scapegoat for what?
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:22
its a "can't decide"
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:22
not voting
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:22
scapegoat wasn't the right word
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:22
if you cant decide on who should be in the spawnmasons, it should be a no
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:23
I disagree, because of the fact that people want to have an informed opinion
05:23
I did the math, halving the abstainers into yes and no evens out and makes voting much more accurate
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:23
leijurv im not talking about the definition of emojis, its the definiton of the word as described by the dictionary
05:23
abstain means "I dont want to take part in voting"
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:24
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:24
If you dont want to take part in the vote, then your vote shouldnt matter
Brother Todarac
abstain means "I dont want to take part in voting"
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:24
so true
Brother Todarac
If you dont want to take part in the vote, then your vote shouldnt matter
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:24
so true
05:24
unironic btw
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:24
epic
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:24
that's what im saying
05:24
i've been saying this
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:24
then why vote at all?
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:24
im channeling my inner henry because hes been raging at me all night about this
05:24
EXACTLY CASPAROV
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:24
what exactly is the point?
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:24
EXACTLY
05:24
why vote?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:24
EXACTLY
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:24
remove abstain then lol
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:24
holy shit
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:24
iirc in the meeting it was JUST jordan who disagreed with this (*and said so out loud), but he was loud enough to make it not happen (edited)
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:24
one of us
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:25
i was on the fence about it
05:25
still kinda am
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:25
I'm gonna try and come to the meeting next weekend
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:25
I kind of like the "I agree with my fellow brothers" argument, but thats technically not what abstain means
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:25
do we have a rule on the amount of people that have to vote?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:25
Rulemasons LUL
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:25
80% yes
Brother Fruit
I'm gonna try and come to the meeting next weekend
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:25
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:25
no
05:25
I mean, if only 2 people voted
Brother Todarac
80% yes
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:25
lmao......
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:26
would that still count?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:26
that's not what he asked
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:26
oh
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:26
thats part of my problem
Brother Casparov
would that still count?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:26
TERBIN WORSHIPFUL VOTE PTSD VIETNAM FLASHBACKS
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:26
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:26
henry this was the "minor bullet point that turned into a 30 minute argument" slide
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:26
this didnt pass because jordan alone was super strongly against it lol
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:27
that is the most VoteMasons thing I have ever fucking seen
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:27
please correct me if i'm misremembering ^
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:27
It's actually repulsive
Brother Fruit
that is the most VoteMasons thing I have ever fucking seen
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:27
i strongly enjoyed the larpiness of making the slide
05:27
i'd love to do something similar again
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:27
Autism has infected the masons
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:27
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:27
We have got to do something about this
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:27
(I like it)
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:27
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autcraft
Autcraft
Autcraft is a Minecraft server dedicated to be a safe haven for children with autism.
05:27
need
05:27
a
05:27
new
05:27
division
05:27
o
05:27
n
05:27
here
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:27
mason logo on Autcraft?
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:27
LMAO
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:27
guys
Brother leijurv
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:28
fuck compromise
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:28
LET'S VOTE ON GETTING RID OF ABSTAIN
Brother Pint
LET'S VOTE ON GETTING RID OF ABSTAIN
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:28
that would be so fucking poggers
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:28
`If rathause's abstain votes were split: 17.5 yes, 4.5 no 17.5/21 = 83%... Much more accurate than if only 5 people voted and 4 of them chose yes which is currently how our system works`
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:28
no pint, you need to wait for a lodge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05:28
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:28
i'm all for it
Brother Pint
LET'S VOTE ON GETTING RID OF ABSTAIN
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:28
everyone abstains on it
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:28
waiting for a lodge is fair fuk u
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:28
even tho i like abstain
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:29
i am literally so horny for SpontaneityMasons
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:29
this is how you get people to rage and quit because they missed it tho
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:29
i like clear-cut decisions more
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:29
theres only like 5 people talking here
Brother Casparov
everyone abstains on it
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:29
inb4 complain "well if you didn't want it to pass you shouldn't have abstained"
Brother Todarac
theres only like 5 people talking here
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:29
exactly
Brother Todarac
this is how you get people to rage and quit because they missed it tho
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:29
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:29
what if you were the one missing out on it
05:29
and you disagreed with the outcome
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:29
i simply wouldn't
05:29
miss it
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:29
okay im convinced
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:29
LOL
05:29
this is based
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:30
people who miss are automatically split between the yes and nos
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:30
lol
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:30
literally a perfect system
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:30
casparov is the true centrist here holy fuck
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:30
casparov lethal shitposting
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:30
only being half sarcastic
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:30
hello fellow radical centrist
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:30
abstainers should be treated the same as those who dont vote
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:30
MOOOOOOOM WHY DID YOU PUT ME IN THE NO'S AND NOT THE YES'S ?!?!?!?!?!!
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:30
YES YES YES YES
Brother Casparov
abstainers should be treated the same as those who dont vote
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:30
SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:31
"abstain" means, and hear me out, "I abstain from adding input to this vote"
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:31
leijurv was based when he said it was virtue signaling
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:31
then abstain is the WRONG terminology
05:31
it should be. "i don't know"
Brother Fruit
leijurv was based when he said it was virtue signaling
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:31
right exactly
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:31
I vote to change abstain emoji to "i dont know" emoji
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:31
yeah this should be the actual emote for "abstain"
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Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:31
there should legitimately be a "clock emoji" that just means "later", or really if you're redpilled you just vote no
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:32
jordan originally said something like 'abstain is for when you want to signal that you've seen the vote, but still don't want to vote', which i was okay with, but i fall off that train when it starts to count for quorum lmfao
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:32
https://i.imgur.com/VTOTzDm.png
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Brother Todarac
there should legitimately be a "clock emoji" that just means "later", or really if you're redpilled you just vote no
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:32
so fucking true!!!!!!!!!!! just vote no.... (edited)
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:32
or split votes
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:32
casparov thats just what leijurv said he hates
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:33
okay so
05:33
imagine
05:33
it was super close
05:33
like a 7 yes 5 no
Brother leijurv
jordan originally said something like 'abstain is for when you want to signal that you've seen the vote, but still don't want to vote', which i was okay with, but i fall off that train when it starts to count for quorum lmfao
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:33
wdym count for quorum
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:33
and then ALL THE ABSTAINERS
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:33
the idea was "50% must vote for the vote to count"
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:33
suddenly go no
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:33
then the question was, does abstain count to 50%
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:33
no
05:33
because its a non vote
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:33
jordan said yes
05:33
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:33
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:33
you're suggesting that abstainers just vote no instead
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:33
yep
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:33
if they vote no, THEN ITS A NO
05:33
what is there to argue?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:34
we need a bot that tallies votes
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:34
okay so imagine it was super close like a 7 yes 5 no and then ALL THE ONCE ABSTAINERS suddenly go no\
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:34
casparov we're suggesting people just make up their fucking mind
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:34
and if someone votes abstain 1 vote is added to the no column
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:34
no one would atually come into the spawnmasons
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:34
people who are universially considered "good" would make it in. This weeds out the weak ones
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:34
0.5% on each side doesn't actually hurt, it evens out and provides more accuracy
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:34
Why do you want weaker half members in here
Brother Casparov
no one would atually come into the spawnmasons
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:34
1
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:35
Raaanch is going to make it in because he is universally liked
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:35
yeah
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:35
hes going to be a good addition
Brother Todarac
Why do you want weaker half members in here
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:35
yet again todarac FINALLY comes around to a point Ain and I were making OVER A YEAR AGO
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:35
what do you mean by weaker half members lmao
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:35
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:36
05:36
my reaction to henry right now
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:36
weaker half members
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:36
henry it was 2 years ago
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:36
what
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:36
Casparov, im talking about Clav if im being honest
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:36
okay
05:36
do the math
05:37
add half the abstains right now
05:37
of which i've abstained to give an example
05:37
to each side
05:37
then tally
05:37
it actually WORSENS THE VOTE
05:37
makes it way more accurate
05:37
instead of 54% its 52%
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:37
when we get rid of , we should install a system where 50% of the app-comm needs to vote for the vote to be considered. once we have that, then a could pass if 80% of those who voted voted . if people don't like the outcome, and complain, we should remind them that they didn't vote when they had the chance.
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:38
off topic but i found this trying to find some based ain posts
05:38
tell me ain is not based
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:38
based ain posts
05:38
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:38
❓
05:38
not sure what's so funny
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:39
1) Casparov, abstain doesnt mean "split the vote in half", it means "I dont have any input for this vote" so they should just be discarded 2) Pint, we used to have an "Applicant Committee" where only ~10 people who actually cared were allowed in, it sounds like you would rather go back to that
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:39
no
05:39
it was called the applicant council
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:39
not precisely
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:39
fool
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:39
we have applicant council right now
05:39
it used to be committee
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:39
todarac
05:39
you are a fool
05:39
listen to me
05:39
i created the council
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:39
oh
05:39
the current channel name
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:39
1) Todarac, abstain isn't used that way, most people use it because they are 50/50 (on the fence) about a vote. then BECAUSE of that, they don't like to participate.
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:39
OOPSIE WOOPSIE
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:39
i'm sayin gwe just need half the applicant council to to do there fucking job (edited)
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:39
if they are on the fence, vote no
05:40
its that simple
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:40
so true!
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:40
voting no isnt a fucking death sentence
05:40
it isnt a ban
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:40
then the no votes get weighted
05:40
reee
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:40
it means "not now"
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:40
or not vote at all
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:40
can we get BLIND VOTING
05:40
PLEASE
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:40
how about all on the fence votes vote yes
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:40
LMAO
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:40
that would be pog wouldn't it?
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:40
but if 50% cast a vote, we'll consider the vote legit
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:40
MEDIOCREMASONS
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:40
thats how dumb that sounds
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:40
if people think yes, then let them vote yes! its also that simple casparov!
Brother Casparov
thats how dumb that sounds
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:40
????????
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:40
what is there even to argue
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:40
bruhhh
05:40
bruuuuuuhhhh
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:40
what are you TALKING about
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:40
if you are on the fence, you don't know what to vote
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:41
guys i have a solution
05:41
2
2
2
05:41
please refer to this image
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:41
casparov you sound insane right now. "If I vote one way, it will mean that one way"
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:41
If they aren't CONVINCED it should be YES, they should vote NO
05:41
TRY AGAIN PUSSY
05:41
LMFAOOOOOOO (edited)
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:41
i was so hoping you would say leijurv
05:41
just for the memes
Brother leijurv
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:41
PIN THIS NOW
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:41
no i mean
"I don't want to vote" "I'll go abstain because im not sure" gets their votes piled onto no "wow, all the people that voted yes are now really sad"
(edited)
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:42
leijurv, this is the most redpilled chart I have ever seen in my entire life, what the actual fuck (edited)
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:42
leijurv that is the most based image i have ever seen
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:42
wait i forgot some arrows
Brother Todarac
leijurv, this is the most redpilled chart I have ever seen in my entire life, what the actual fuck (edited)
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:42
i love it
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:42
wtf todarac and henry agreeing on mason politics?
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Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:42
first time in years
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:42
^ not a joke
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:42
saving this to my desktop for easy access
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:42
the 5 of us should just be the app council
Brother leijurv
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:42
im actually okay with this
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:42
anything i should add?
Brother Casparov
im actually okay with this
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:42
LOL
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:42
just because its based
05:42
and funny
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:43
05:43
okay added the arrows i forgot
05:43
fuck i hat ethat space on the left
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:43
me when i get into an argument with todarac about mason politics
05:43
"go watch hot ones idiot"
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:43
fuckit i'm screenshotting
05:43
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:43
todarac when a new episode of Hot Ones™️ with Sean Evans drops
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:43
https://i.imgur.com/yKuaUc7.png
Brother leijurv pinned a message to this channel. 02/01/2021 05:43
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 05:44
I feel like I would have really love hated ain
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:44
do australian is gonna get in tho
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:44
Leijurv do you even know what you have done
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:44
im sad now
05:44
Australians have no chance
ßrother LordNo.
I feel like I would have really love hated ain
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:44
from:212619083429052416 put this into search bar LOL
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:44
ain was a fucking annoying asshole
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:44
Ain was too redpilled for you to handle
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:44
the effort they'd need to put in is literal sleep deprivation
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:44
You're just raging that he burnt your stupid fucking stone
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ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 05:44
Lol
ßrother LordNo.
I feel like I would have really love hated ain
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:44
05:44
holy shit
Brother Todarac
Leijurv do you even know what you have done
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:44
?
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:45
oh I forgot to finish that thought
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:45
me and pint are crying in vc right now
05:45
please join
05:45
this is amazing
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 05:45
Do you even know what you have done with this chart? You've created another hour long argument where we keep going "LOOK AT THE CHART"
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:46
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 05:48
ain was an ain in the ass
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:48
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:53
• delete the emote • delete the emote • you may only click , or click nothing at all • 70% of all current masons must click for someone to get in
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 05:53
9000000 iq
05:53
No cap
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:53
leijurv just sugggested we not only abolish but also
05:53
based
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:53
better yet
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:53
i love it
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:53
wait i have a better one
05:54
never mind
05:54
yeah i can't top that power levels
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:54
you need to keep no
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Brother Fruit
you need to keep no
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:55
cringe
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:55
This is not cringe
05:55
If you want NO to be solely communicated through TEXT
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_Forms#List_of_characters
Number Forms
Number Forms is a Unicode block containing characters that have specific meaning as numbers, but are constructed from other characters. They consist primarily of vulgar fractions and Roman numerals. In addition to the characters in the Number Forms block, three fractions were inherited from ISO-8859-1, which was incorporated whole as the Latin-...
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:55
why isn't YES also treated like that?
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:55
05:56
these are the votes
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 05:56
fuck you
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:56
¼
Brother Pint 02/01/2021 05:56
X
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 05:56
= i'm willing to say that i want this person in = i'm not willing to say that
05:57
i will make a discord bot that does anonymous voting
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 05:59
it would be nice for peope to not see the votes before they vote. if someone sees other pople voting no or yes they are more liekly to follow
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 05:59
this
1
05:59
there is bias on knowing who has voted
05:59
which can also push the abstain vote
Brother Toilet (breithan)
it would be nice for peope to not see the votes before they vote. if someone sees other pople voting no or yes they are more liekly to follow
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:03
i have been saying this for so long........
06:03
!!!!!
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 06:03
ok well now we have the technology
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:04
leijurv
06:04
can i help
snugglebugaj 02/01/2021 06:04
you can pay for the hosting
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:04
wtf..........
06:04
i want to help write it......
snugglebugaj 02/01/2021 06:04
if they choose cringe lang you probably can
brother terbin 02/01/2021 06:07
So many abstainers - grow some balls
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3
1
1
brother terbin
So many abstainers - grow some balls
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 06:08
SO based
brother terbin
So many abstainers - grow some balls
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:09
thug life terbin compilation when holy shit
brother terbin 02/01/2021 06:11
God forbid someone would disagree with my vote and ask me about it... better play it safe to not cause any... questions
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:11
terbin goes mask off
brother terbin 02/01/2021 06:11
Or what goes on in the mind ?
06:11
It’s 7 am and I had to relieve myself of some byproducts of my metabolism
06:11
However, I require additional rest
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 06:16
ABSTAIN
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 06:16
whyd you switch your vote from no to abstain
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:17
no balls
1
06:17
balls in a vice
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 06:17
my vote on this has been an abstain from the start
06:17
:3
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 06:17
WHY
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 06:17
yes i meant casp
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 06:17
ah
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 06:34
1
Brother Fruit
Click to see attachment 🖼️
brother noname 02/01/2021 08:33
bruh all this means nothing cause you don't come to meetings or participate in game
08:33
this is so sad
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 08:34
did you just cuck shed me
08:34
i didn't make that image
08:34
fool
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 08:35
lol ufo
08:35
I said something similar earlier
08:36
https://i.imgur.com/B8SwjPI.png
brother noname 02/01/2021 08:36
this x100000
Brother Fruit
i didn't make that image
brother noname 02/01/2021 08:37
I'm not talking about the image I'm talking about your last 500 messages (edited)
08:37
they mean nothing
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 08:37
ufo I was making fun of people who make that argument (aka YOU) so you sound insane right now
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 08:39
@brother noname i made that flowchart haha
brother noname 02/01/2021 08:39
I know
08:39
it's a based chat
08:39
chart
Brother Todarac
ufo I was making fun of people who make that argument (aka YOU) so you sound insane right now
brother noname 02/01/2021 08:40
what
Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 08:40
New message in applicant-council OwO
08:40
Lul
Brother Wailn 02/01/2021 10:12
I understand people’s aversion to the abstain button, and am not opposed to its removal
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:14
obviously at least 8 people (more than a 1/3 of vote) like it or they would not vote it! (edited)
Brother Wailn 02/01/2021 10:15
I’m not saying I like it or not, as I voted abstain, just saying I get people’s reactions
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:31
Abstain votes only happen on people that are not that active or when not very many people know the person. This is not a bad thing, to me it means that that initiate has a few good friends in the group, people that really want them here. I have only voted abstain once this year on an initiate and that is clav, I dont really know him so dont want to help him get in but there are several people that really want him in here and I trust those people so I do not want to stop them getting there friend in here if I have no reason to vote no other than I dont know them very well. I hope the above gives some clarity on why I think abstain is very important and should not be removed. Also to put it into perspective there has been 192 15 & 20 this year total across 12 initiate votes. This is not the big problem some of you are making it out to be @here
broder lampa 02/01/2021 10:34
What about if there are x % abstain votes then vote is moved forward some amount of time
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:35
we've already had 2 months on this guy
10:35
if you can't make a decision in two months, vote no
10:35
simple
10:36
you can't take into account what others want, just how it is. If you can't make a decision and you're having some doubts, then the obvious choice is no
Brother Oppenheimer
Abstain votes only happen on people that are not that active or when not very many people know the person. This is not a bad thing, to me it means that that initiate has a few good friends in the group, people that really want them here. I have only voted abstain once this year on an initiate and that is clav, I dont really know him so dont want to help him get in but there are several people that really want him in here and I trust those people so I do not want to stop them getting there friend in here if I have no reason to vote no other than I dont know them very well. I hope the above gives some clarity on why I think abstain is very important and should not be removed. Also to put it into perspective there has been 192 15 & 20 this year total across 12 initiate votes. This is not the big problem some of you are making it out to be @here
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:37
Also to put it into perspective there has been 192 15 & 20 this year total across 12 initiate votes. This is not the big problem some of you are making it out to be
putting it in this perspective is very flawed. You must think about it in the sense of a single vote. Not across multiple votes. This is because it effects those single votes greatly. It does NOT effect a full set of votes. (edited)
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:38
the double here ping
10:38
owned
broder lampa 02/01/2021 10:39
@Brother Fruit please explain your reasoning for using shitty "this tbh" emote (edited)
10:39
10:39
should be used
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:40
sorry
broder lampa 02/01/2021 10:40
thank you
Brother Casparov
Also to put it into perspective there has been 192 15 & 20 this year total across 12 initiate votes. This is not the big problem some of you are making it out to be
putting it in this perspective is very flawed. You must think about it in the sense of a single vote. Not across multiple votes. This is because it effects those single votes greatly. It does NOT effect a full set of votes. (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 10:41
I mean if u don’t think That he should get in change ur vote to no and he prob won’t get in
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:41
^^^ exactly
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:41
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:41
LOL
10:41
these guys
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:42
eight abstains?
10:42
for someone here for two months?
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:42
7 now because I change my vote BACK
10:42
I originally had it on no, the abstain was for testing purposes
10:43
don't try to downplay my statement with incorrectness
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 10:43
I mean it’s still a no so y are u complaining?
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:43
lmao
10:43
because more votes will happen
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Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 10:43
I mean I voted abstain not bc I don’t want him to be in here
10:43
So voting no would be wrong
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:44
voting no doesn't mean you dislike them
10:44
it means you don't think they should be a brother at that time
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:44
yes
10:44
when you like someone, doesn't mean she/he fits in the masons
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:44
If you have any reason to doubt the person you vote no, simple right? If you have no opinion/no reason to vote no then you can vote yes or abstain if you have no reason to vote yes either
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:45
abstain should happen very rarely
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:45
but it doesn't (edited)
10:45
because people abuse it
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:45
well or because they are lazy
10:45
or
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:45
yes terbin it should
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:45
because the new guy doesn't put effort in
10:45
so they didn't get to know him
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:45
there has been only 20 abstain votes this year!!!
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:46
hehehe
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:46
I explained the flaw there jordan
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:46
an abstain vote should require an explanation in here perhaps
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:46
when there is an obvious yes, no one is going to abstain
10:46
when it is like it is now
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:46
why not
10:47
I would still abstain or vote no if I did not want to vote yes
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:47
then just vote no?
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:47
I have no reason to on this vote
Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 10:49
yea, because next vote will not have an abstain option anymore
Brother Casparov
then just vote no?
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:49
anyone I have an opinion on one way or the other I vote that way. This is the first time this year I have voted abstain, because I have no reason to vote the other 2
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:49
my guess is many people who want to vote no are afraid of hurting someone's feelings and vote abstain instead often
10:49
let's to statistics who did the most abstain votes
10:49
or who did how many
10:49
to see if there is a pattern
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:49
blind voting soon
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:49
hehe
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:49
this
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:49
yes
10:49
why not
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:49
anonymous voting with bot soon
Brother Oppenheimer
anyone I have an opinion on one way or the other I vote that way. This is the first time this year I have voted abstain, because I have no reason to vote the other 2
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:50
ye ok you don't use it often
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:50
exactly, but I want the option to use it when I need to!
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:50
whats the point though!
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:51
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:51
abstain provides nothing to the vote
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:51
loads of abstainers
10:51
abstain could also mean
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:51
LITERALLY nothing
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:51
new guy is not in vc often
10:51
it means I didn't get to know him for one reason or another I guess
Brother Casparov
LITERALLY nothing
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:51
exactly!!!!!
Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 10:51
then why even vote???
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Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:51
I just don’t see why “not voting” isn’t the same
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:51
either yes, no or nothing at all
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:51
well
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:51
Because it should count towards the total people voting
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:52
it doesnt
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:52
if you don't vote
10:52
you are out
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:52
I don’t agree
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:52
haha
10:52
:)
10:52
abstain is good to see if people have seen the vote
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:52
Abstain - formally decline to vote either for or against a proposal or motion.
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:52
ye
Brother Fruit
Abstain - formally decline to vote either for or against a proposal or motion.
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:52
yes
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:52
but let's hope that the abstain are reduced next time
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:52
this means it doesn't count towards any total
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:52
they are a bit much on the last 2 initiates
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:52
so its useless
Brother Nekramite 02/01/2021 10:53
ok, so abstain is just a polite ?
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Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:53
either you get a good opinion
brother terbin
they are a bit much on the last 2 initiates
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:53
yes because not many people know them
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:53
or you do nothing
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:53
“Abstentions do not count in tallying the vote negatively or positively; when members abstain, they are in effect attending only to contribute to a quorum. White votes, however, may be counted in the total of votes, depending on the legislation.”
Brother Oppenheimer
yes because not many people know them
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:53
jordan, clav has had the oportunity to get to know you for 2 months now
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:53
we usually discuss at meetings if prople are ready to vote
Brother Oppenheimer
yes because not many people know them
brother terbin 02/01/2021 10:53
removing the abstain vote would remove that indicator, seeing if people got to see the vote
10:54
we had this whole discussion once or twice before
Brother Casparov
jordan, clav has had the oportunity to get to know you for 2 months now
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:55
yes then people should vote no if they dont think he has tried enough or is not brother material or vote yes if they do or abstain if they dont want to influence vote
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:55
I voted no because I trust that the other people and my own thoughts about him and his character, even with the little amount of talking i've done with him, are correct
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:55
If someone declines to participate in a vote I don’t feel they should count at all - including in counting total votes
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10:56
for calculating percentages and such
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:56
without abstain those 7 people would probably just not vote giving the same outcome as if they abstained
Brother Fruit
If someone declines to participate in a vote I don’t feel they should count at all - including in counting total votes
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:56
agreed
Brother Oppenheimer
Because it should count towards the total people voting
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:56
Well no it wouldn’t be the same outcome because of this message here
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 10:57
yes, that means they want to be counted in the vote but dont want to sway it
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:57
how the fuck does that make any sense
10:57
"hey look I want to be counted in this vote"
doesn't want to sway the vote
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:57
Being counted = sway
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:57
look at me I voted
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 10:58
Maybe we aren’t on the same page with what “counted” refers to
10:58
What do you mean by “counted in the vote”
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 10:59
besides abstaining still sways votes, just in a stupid way
10:59
for example
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:00
when calculating how many % said yes, not counting abstainers
11:00
just the yes no votes
11:00
is what he means
11:00
I think
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:00
yes
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:00
abstain should = no
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Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:00
no
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:00
should not be easy to get in
11:00
i think so
11:00
you might disagree
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:00
fat redpill
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:00
that's fine
11:01
if you abstain somethign went wrong
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:01
^
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:01
either the new dud did not try to get to know you
11:01
or you did not put in the effort
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:01
In which case you maybe shouldn’t be voting hot take i know
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:01
yes but voting abstain indicates that
11:01
it's just what we do with the abstain
11:01
atm it's a no consequence vote (edited)
11:01
which it shouldn't be
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:02
I mean like “shouldn’t be included in the voting process” haha
11:02
but that’s too spicy for now
Brother Fruit
In which case you maybe shouldn’t be voting hot take i know
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:02
did you try to get to know clav before voting no?
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:02
i think with Clav the case is clear
11:02
several masons wrote him
11:02
he didn't respond to many
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:03
I clearly explained my reason for voting no, had the situation terbin is referring to been different i would enthusiastically vote yes on Clav
brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:03
same
11:03
but we had nordno, pint, ufo writing him
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:03
`Imagine voting either yes, no or abstain The votes are: YES=16, NO=4 - 80% SUCCESS You were originally going to vote yes until the person in question did something a bit odd that you disliked, and thus you wish to abstain. The votes are now: YES=15, NO = 4 - 78% FAIL This UNDERMINES the majority, as you have chosen to instead decide to abstain. The better option is to vote no, as this will seem more fair to the person being voted on. IF you vote no instead: YES=15, NO =5 - 75% a much clearer, and imo fairer fail.` (edited)
brother terbin
he didn't respond to many
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:04
I did not know that, this is why votes should go live at a meeting so we can discuss better our reasons for voting what. If this is the case then my vote will probably change to no on this occasion
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brother terbin 02/01/2021 11:04
abstain should be no, because you don't know whether or not that person should join. And you wouldn't let someone in you don't know. So it should be no
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Brother Oppenheimer
I did not know that, this is why votes should go live at a meeting so we can discuss better our reasons for voting what. If this is the case then my vote will probably change to no on this occasion
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:08
admittedly, you can always ask what other people think
11:08
be a bit proactive
11:08
and you would have known this info sooner
Brother Casparov
`Imagine voting either yes, no or abstain The votes are: YES=16, NO=4 - 80% SUCCESS You were originally going to vote yes until the person in question did something a bit odd that you disliked, and thus you wish to abstain. The votes are now: YES=15, NO = 4 - 78% FAIL This UNDERMINES the majority, as you have chosen to instead decide to abstain. The better option is to vote no, as this will seem more fair to the person being voted on. IF you vote no instead: YES=15, NO =5 - 75% a much clearer, and imo fairer fail.` (edited)
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:08
This is a really good post
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Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:09
yes and people that vote yes or no should have time to persuade the abstainers to vote their way
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:09
I feel like people most certainly put their info out there man
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:09
my vote has now changed to no because of what terbin said
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:09
Err
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:10
I did not see it as there was 300+ messages in here when I woke up today
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:10
2 months
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:10
now there will be another 200 for anyone else
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:11
people have been talking about him constantly in this and other chats for a few days as well leading up to the vote
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 11:11
gotta agree
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:12
only 22 mentions in this chat most with little explanation
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:12
look, if I haven't yet convinced you of the major flaws of abstention, then I don't think I ever will be able to. Just know there are some damning flaws there
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:13
I did see terbins previous statement but he did not say why till now
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:13
I believe breithan had some good explanation
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:14
check these
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:14
and there are more chats
11:14
yeh
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:14
this should be the one for initiates
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:15
there is also instances where people talk about him and don't actually mention his name
11:15
the only way you'd be able to get a good instance of knowledge: just ask
11:16
"hey, what are your thoughts on clav? I haven't really made an opinion myself, and can't seem to be able to cuz he isn't in vc too often, and timezones are a thing"
11:16
I joined back maybe 2 weeks ago and formed my own opinion on the guy just by asking around and seeing conversations with others
11:17
haven't once been able to talk with him due to timezone issues
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 11:20
Yes I know, I read almost every message in this discord with the exception of #general-20210704 and through reading all of them I could not make a decision which is why I initially voted abstain then after hearing what terbin said I changed it to no. If you want less people to vote abstain we just need clearer discussions about the initiates, especially in vc at a meeting so it can be recorded in the #journal for everyone to see clearly without all the clutter in between.
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:20
I do agree on that front
11:21
but again, it is possible to be proactive
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:26
24h vote goes through meeting (edited)
11:26
as usual
11:26
for this reason
Brother Fruit
This is a really good post
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:28
I learnt this form of example from this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU&t=178s watch at this timestamp and treat each colour as yes, no and abstain
Primer
Simulating alternate voting systems
11:28
purple is abstain for example
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:30
we talked about this lol
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:30
its a pretty good vid
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:30
this vid is for election type stuff it does not cover binary choosing that well
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:30
I did mention look at that specific timestamp
11:31
at 178 seconds
11:31
he goes over an example of plurality where there is orange and green.
11:31
say orange is yes and green is no
11:31
orange is winning, and then you add purple into the mix
11:31
it undermines the majority
11:31
and thus green is crowned the winner
11:32
again, treat orange as yes, green as no and purple as abstain
11:33
you cannot undermine a minority so
11:33
abstain bad
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:33
you can see this from any angle and get a different opinion from it lol
11:33
theres no clear answer to what the optimal outcome is
Brother Casparov
`Imagine voting either yes, no or abstain The votes are: YES=16, NO=4 - 80% SUCCESS You were originally going to vote yes until the person in question did something a bit odd that you disliked, and thus you wish to abstain. The votes are now: YES=15, NO = 4 - 78% FAIL This UNDERMINES the majority, as you have chosen to instead decide to abstain. The better option is to vote no, as this will seem more fair to the person being voted on. IF you vote no instead: YES=15, NO =5 - 75% a much clearer, and imo fairer fail.` (edited)
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:33
literally math ^
11:34
optimally, you make it truly binary
11:34
and provide anonymous voting to stop any spoiler effects from taking place, or any biases
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:34
imo fairer fail
11:34
is not math
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:34
thats why imo is there
11:34
the rest of it
11:35
anyways. We are going about providing anonymous voting now
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:35
i have always liked it to not be anonymous
11:36
because people cant make a retard vote and not defend it
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:36
I dont understand how that works. A vote is a vote
11:36
you either like the guy or dont
11:36
or
11:36
you choose not to vote at all
11:36
not abstain
11:37
just stay away from the vote
11:37
if you WANT to vote (and don't have a real decision in mind), vote no. Because in that way, you aren't undermining the majority in any way (edited)
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:39
this changes nothing except the psychology
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:40
psychology is basically everything in voting
11:40
people will either be angry because their vote was undermined, or they'll be angry because their vote wasn't increased as much as it could have been. In this way, everyone can compromise
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 11:42
before abstain people just didnt vote i dont think it will be different
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 11:42
thats fine
11:42
the abstain "vote" just does nothing for anyone
11:42
if you REALLY want to vote (and don't have a real decision in mind), vote no
Brother Oppenheimer
only 22 mentions in this chat most with little explanation
brother terbin 02/01/2021 12:10
the context is connected to the mentions if you read the messages before and after
12:11
we spoke about him extensively I felt and tried to motivate
12:11
trying to make it more clear and not so obscure what is needed
12:11
reaching out
12:11
trying to ask his friends to speak to him
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 12:34
ye this was talked about quite extensively if we end up wanting the anonymous bot thing then abstain is pointless anyways
12:39
well see
brother terbin 02/01/2021 12:44
i like that
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 15:22
anonymous voting would be bad, you would not be able to ask people why they voted a certain way or have a discussion on it to try to change their minds. Like I did earlier with my vote.
brother noname 02/01/2021 15:23
^
15:23
agreed
15:23
I'm not for anonymous voting
15:23
I am for removing abstain to
15:23
tho
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 15:24
Almost any significant vote irl for anything I am aware of is anonymous (including the actual masons )
brother terbin 02/01/2021 15:25
i am for removing abstain, I would prefer non-anonymous voting, but I could understand that some people are aware that this vote could be shared, also outside mason circles, so they are careful
15:25
and what joey said
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 15:28
Terbin, based as ever
Brother Oppenheimer
anonymous voting would be bad, you would not be able to ask people why they voted a certain way or have a discussion on it to try to change their minds. Like I did earlier with my vote.
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 16:28
The only reason why we tried to change your mind was because you were an abstain vote due to not being able to make up your mind. The thought of changing someone's mind like that during a voting process after they've already voted either yes or no honestly sounds ridiculous.
16:29
I don't think I've ever seen an instance in the spawnmasons where someone has had the audacity to change someone's mind like that other than abstain voters.
16:30
But alas, I have spent little time here
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 16:37
its not that ridiculous cause it happens especially in voice i just feel the social pressure of defending your vote when someone asks is good makes people vote a little less out of self interest and more group and if you have an opinion but youre too afraid to stand up for it / tell us then idk if i care lol
Brother Casparov 02/01/2021 16:38
Hmm. Fine. We don't have to do anonymous voting, I just feel like that just opens up bully tactics
16:39
And it does create some bias for obvious reasons
16:40
Main goal is to get rid of abstain, plus the bot is pretty epic and I think we should try using it.
brother terbin 02/01/2021 17:25
i like anonymous voting
17:25
for now
17:25
why not try it
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 17:49
we could have a vote on it at the meeting if people want to try it or not
17:50
to me is seams very pointless for initiates because we are discussing our views on a person and giving reasons to vote yes or no so everyone can tell what way you would vote anyway
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17:51
It could be good for lodge votes maybe but even then we would want people to tell us why they voted that way so we can make appropriate changes to proposals etc.
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 18:00
what if....we just treat abstain votes like other meme votes (yes hello, smib, etc) and ignore them.
18:01
literally nothing would change in the outcome. People worried about the impact of abstain could instead focus on the amount of spammy meme votes.
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 18:02
we already do but people seem very triggered at them anyways
Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 18:14
we could just vote if we want to keep abstain or remove it
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1Charlie3 02/01/2021 18:16
lol trolls gonna vote abstain on the abstain vote
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Gebrüder Zippie 02/01/2021 18:17
lol
18:17
well in that case we just ignore it
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18:17
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brother noname 02/01/2021 18:31
delete abstain
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Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 18:32
A
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 18:32
b
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Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 18:32
s
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broder lampa 02/01/2021 18:32
N
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 18:32
o
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brother noname 02/01/2021 18:32
k
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Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 18:32
fucking chain breaker
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 18:32
wow
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Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 18:32
lamp man bad
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 18:32
i was so happy floyd got it
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18:32
wait
broder lampa 02/01/2021 18:33
i got it too but I wanted to fix it
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 18:33
i dont think i got it
18:33
i was trying for absolutely
Brother Floyd 02/01/2021 18:34
I was going for abstain
18:34
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 18:34
delete abstain
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Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:32
`i just feel the social pressure of defending your vote when someone asks is good makes people vote a little less out of self interest and more group and if you have an opinion but youre too afraid to stand up for it / tell us then idk if i care lol`
19:32
i think the exact opposite
19:33
that social pressure is bad because it is always pushing in the direction of conformity
19:33
the dreaded "bandwagoning"
19:34
"group interest" isn't a real thing, it's a social construct of all the other voters
19:34
you should not vote in group interest
19:34
you should vote on if you personally want the thing to happen ( / want the person in)
19:34
that is what voting.... is
19:34
the group interest is determined by the collective of individual interest (as an artifact of the fact that we chose to use democracy lol) (edited)
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:44
what about the last line
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:44
i disagree strongest with that
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:44
With an anonymous vote on an initiate: You invite an initiate and then he is voted no on, you then will not know who to speak to to find out why they voted that way. you cant talk to them to find out why you cant ask if said initiate can do anything to change their vote next time = bad
Brother Entropy
what about the last line
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:44
it might be nice if people explain why they vote, and i'd appreciate if they would in here, especially if they go against the grain
19:44
but putting yourself into that inferno of people arguing with you isn't part of what you sign up for when you think 'democracy'
Brother leijurv
it might be nice if people explain why they vote, and i'd appreciate if they would in here, especially if they go against the grain
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:45
How would you know what the grain was if its anonymous????
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:45
people would discuss in here beforehand, like they always have
19:45
in fact i'd like it if everyone talked in here beforehand, but maybe that's idealistic
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:45
that dose not mean they will actually vote that way
19:46
and you will never know
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:46
they often dont say a thing in here and seem to vote completely random till i dm them and tell them that they never said anything in app
19:46
and then they come up with a reason nobody had before
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:47
you, as worshipful, would still be able to see who voted what, and still give a nudge to explain in applicant committee
19:47
that could be a feature lol
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 19:47
all votes should be hidden until the vote is over then everyone can see it
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:47
that also could be done breithan
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:47
thats
Brother leijurv
you, as worshipful, would still be able to see who voted what, and still give a nudge to explain in applicant committee
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:47
so why not everyone!
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:47
something
Brother Oppenheimer
so why not everyone!
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:47
because people harass each other severely for voting against what they believe
19:47
it makes people bandwagon and conform
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:47
no they dont!!!
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:48
people should vote in their individual interest then the group interest is determined by the percentages lol
Brother leijurv
because people harass each other severely for voting against what they believe
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:48
Show me one example of this! This never happens!
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:48
terbin & aaronalvin
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:48
?
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:48
so basically never
19:48
it rarely happens lol
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:49
the social pressure exists, for example like entropy said
19:49
`i just feel the social pressure of defending your vote when someone asks is good makes people vote a little less out of self interest and more group`
19:49
even just the threat will influence behavior
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:50
yes but if you vote that way for a silly meme reason (what happens a lot) people should be able to ask you why that was!
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:50
nope ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:50
that is not harassment its a conversation
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:51
if you want a conversation, have it in here beforehand. we don't vote by consensus, we do it by mathematical percentages. it would be nicer if we did consensus like wikipedia does it where it isn't a hard %, but rather a tradeoff judgement call based on the strength and numbers combined on each side. (edited)
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:51
sounds complicated
Brother Giganox 02/01/2021 19:51
I just want to make clear that "clav" is not "Kelvidore" in case someone confuses them (edited)
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Brother Entropy
sounds complicated
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:51
yeah it's a big burden on the wiki admins (or in this case, worshipfuls lol)
Brother Giganox 02/01/2021 19:54
I was not sure who was spoken about when we talked about clav in the last meeting. At that meeting clav seemed to be conceived as a decent guy
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 19:54
i dont buy any "innocent" "i just want to ask people why they vote a certain way" -- when you peel back what that really means, it's that you want to pressure people into voting your way (any reason to vote another way must be a "meme reason" of course), and "having a conversation" really means holding them over the metaphorical fire of social shaming so that they change their vote. a better solution might be like https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/795015362474278982 where a private nudge could be given. hell, it could even be automated in the bot (if your side is in a strong minority (<30%) it could DM you, let you know, and let you explain)
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 19:56
SO TRUE!!!
Brother Entropy 02/01/2021 19:57
you could link instead of just reposting something
19:57
that is 10 lines above
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 19:57
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 19:57
tbh I hate links, especially when your reading an old conversation as you loose your place
Brother Fruit 02/01/2021 19:58
Brother leijurv
that social pressure is bad because it is always pushing in the direction of conformity
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 21:07
THIS
21:08
We're siblings, not twins, we should not all be the same :3
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 21:51
who is NetherRad?
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/01/2021 21:51
no idea
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 21:52
netherrad is Raanch and Guddy's friend (edited)
21:52
they all base together
21:52
and ranch and guddy* were in here so they were like "can we invite our last friend" (edited)
21:52
hes cool
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 21:52
oh, never saw them ask
Brother Todarac 02/01/2021 21:54
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353428205723713536/790771950594949130
Brother Oppenheimer 02/01/2021 21:58
I must have missed it coz of christmas
Brother leijurv 02/01/2021 22:56
example usage
22:56
$I don't care
22:57
YOU ARE HECKIN CUTE AND VALID FOR NOT VOTING, YOU GET ONE GOOD BOY POINT, I LOVE YOU
eepy Joe 02/01/2021 22:57
I LOVE YOU LEIJURV
ßrother LordNo. 02/01/2021 23:17
Good boy points!? I fucking live and die for those.
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 00:10
so
00:11
stuff that was discussed will be in journal right?
Brother Entropy 03/01/2021 00:14
always
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 00:16
epic
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 01:05
sounds like you guys had some extensive talks which is good
Brother F3 03/01/2021 01:06
since when is Rain here?
Brother Entropy 03/01/2021 01:07
several months lol
Brother F3 03/01/2021 01:07
I just seen now
01:08
also is it a girl or a kid. I cant tell from the voice somehow
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 01:08
girl
brother noname 03/01/2021 01:08
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/621770507234181151/768585655114137600
Brother Pint 03/01/2021 01:08
she's like 19 right?
Brother F3 03/01/2021 01:08
lol what I can remember reading this but somehow I didnt process she joined
Brother Pint
she's like 19 right?
brother noname 03/01/2021 01:09
16
snugglebugaj 03/01/2021 01:20
I thought she was 17
Brother Floyd 03/01/2021 01:23
16 wtf?
Brother Entropy 03/01/2021 01:24
youd be surprised how young some brothers are
Brother Floyd 03/01/2021 01:24
aaaaaa
snugglebugaj
I thought she was 17
brother noname 03/01/2021 01:26
she might be now idk
Brother Entropy
youd be surprised how young some brothers are
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 01:42
01:42
who’s younger than me
01:42
rathause is like right around me i think
01:42
maybe zippie
1Charlie3 03/01/2021 01:43
me
Brother Rathause 03/01/2021 01:45
I’m 18
brother noname 03/01/2021 01:45
hanscor
1Charlie3 03/01/2021 01:45
me and hanscor youngest masons i think
Brother Pint 03/01/2021 01:48
when we get FamPump in, he'll be the youngest bro
01:48
17
1Charlie3 03/01/2021 01:49
i turned 16 not very long ago
01:49
and hanscor 16 i think
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 01:49
wtf
Brother Pint 03/01/2021 01:50
woah
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 01:54
youngmasons
Brother Pint 03/01/2021 01:55
it's so weird not being the youngest in a group
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 01:55
i thought i was youngmasons
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 01:55
you used to be
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 01:55
i think i joined march 2017?
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 01:55
I can check the spreadsheet lol
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 01:55
so i would’ve been 15 then
Brother Casparov 03/01/2021 01:55
but that seems accurate
Brother Fruit
maybe zippie
Gebrüder Zippie 03/01/2021 10:31
im 17 rn
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 18:05
Gebrüder Zippie
im 17 rn
brother noname 03/01/2021 19:05
I'm banning you from vc text till ur 18
Gebrüder Zippie 03/01/2021 19:06
lol
1Charlie3 03/01/2021 20:10
clav left
Brother F3 03/01/2021 20:18
someone leaked?
1Charlie3
clav left
Brother Pint 03/01/2021 20:25
well, that's his fault
20:31
did he unfriend anyone? i don't see him on my Discord friend list and i'm v certain i added him
eepy Joe 03/01/2021 20:40
He's still on mine
Brother Toilet (breithan) 03/01/2021 20:49
still on mine
ßrother LordNo. 03/01/2021 20:51
Still on mine
Brother Fruit 03/01/2021 20:57
Crinch
brother noname 04/01/2021 00:57
rip
Brother Entropy 04/01/2021 01:23
hes unreasonably negative lol
01:24
maybe well hear from him again
01:24
some time
Brother Casparov 04/01/2021 01:24
thats borderline guilt tripping
Brother Entropy 04/01/2021 01:25
idk im starting to believe he actually thinks these things
Brother Casparov 04/01/2021 01:27
he has no idea how much we talked about this lol
Brother Entropy 04/01/2021 01:27
i told him he had to stay just around if he wanted another chance so hes really not doing this to gain something
01:27
of course he has no idea lol
Brother Casparov 04/01/2021 01:30
on the topic of voting tho
01:30
the bot is complete
Brother Fruit 04/01/2021 01:45
:))))
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:02
Chipoff
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1
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DaPorkchop
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2
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DarkXL6
18
1
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Guddy
10
1
2
22:03
Gunther
7
5
2
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John
5
15
22:04
Kelvidore
10
8
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Netherrad
9
2
3
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rain
18
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speeddemon
2
7
3
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thebes
18
1
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yata
4
7
3
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biggus
8
10
1
1
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brady
4
7
4
1
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diganandbuilder
5
8
2
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elvengineer
3
6
5
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familypumpkin6
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laizboi
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3
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nemac
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3
1
22:08
@SpawnMason friendly ping to see how we are feeling on some of the A LOT of guest we have. This is not all guest but guest that present to me as having Mason potential
22:08
this is not an official vote for anything
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:08
oh boy
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:08
rebane made me do it
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Gebrüder Zippie 05/01/2021 22:09
like 2/3 of the list i have never talked to
22:09
lol
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:09
just vote on the people you like then!
22:09
or dislike
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:09
yes this is exactly what I had in mind
broder lampa 05/01/2021 22:10
discord is rate limiting me
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:10
I voted yes or no to every one
22:10
no abstains
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:10
@Brother Todarac fuck you for "no" on brady
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:10
I am leading by example
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:10
I'm deleting all a stains
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:10
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:10
abstains
22:10
jkjk
Brother Todarac
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:10
shutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutupshutup
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:10
also yes feel free to discuss anyone mentioned here if you have anything to say about them
broder lampa 05/01/2021 22:11
@here vote no on brady
1Charlie3 05/01/2021 22:11
all the nos on John :(
snugglebugaj 05/01/2021 22:11
cringe
broder lampa
@here vote no on brady
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:11
i LITERALLY hate you
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:11
John is chill
22:11
he's a lot more mature now
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:11
vote yes on Torogadude
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:12
I think it's looking pretty obvious we should give dapork another run
22:12
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:12
this vote is wistful
22:12
aspirational
22:12
it doesn't reflect any actual change in daporkchop
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:12
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Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:13
@brother noname just take back your nos?
22:13
ez?
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:13
I will I will
ßrother LordNo. 05/01/2021 22:13
ufo is making a list, checking it twice, removing abstain cause it’s a centerist vice
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:13
SO BASED
22:13
holy shit
22:14
mfw when they add abstain as an option to the US presidential elections
brother noname
mfw when they add abstain as an option to the US presidential elections
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:14
what if abstain wins election?
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:14
no president
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:14
then we have no president
ßrother LordNo. 05/01/2021 22:14
Would be better than the shitstain that got all the votes 4 years ago
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:14
for 4 years
Brother Entropy 05/01/2021 22:14
americans dont have to vote right
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:14
anarchy country
Brother Entropy
americans dont have to vote right
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:15
correct
22:15
kinda like the masons
22:15
Brother Entropy 05/01/2021 22:15
so then they just dont go lol
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:15
no but if you vote abstain and it wins we get anarchy server irl
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Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:17
Redraft the mason constitution vote
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:18
we need to impeach entropy
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:19
We the People of the Spawnmasons, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the Spawnmasons and denounce pony porn once and for all.
broder lampa 05/01/2021 22:19
ufo didnt include a vote for mini
22:19
rly makes u think
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:19
fat red pill above me
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:20
fat ufo above me
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:20
broder lampa 05/01/2021 22:20
lmao
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:20
No more women
22:20
I’m enough
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:20
I wuvvvv mini tho
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:21
You didn’t meet me at Universal and must suffer the consequences
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:21
bruh
22:21
you left the masons
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:22
So you only like me because I’m a mason
22:22
I thought this went beyond that
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:22
*You are a mason because we like you
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:22
I’m a mason because herm liked me
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:22
vote to kick nick
22:23
haha just kidding
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:23
Make pony porn illegal
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[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:23
I would not have a problem with that
22:23
Friendship with Benefits doesn't even have actual ponies
Брат Bird
I thought this went beyond that
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:24
you know I love you
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:24
I love DS
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:24
me too
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:24
wow we are brother
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:25
we are ds brothers
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:25
if nick joins us
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:25
DS short for dicks (edited)
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:25
then we are
22:25
3 DS brothers
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:25
wow
22:25
who will be the 3rd ds brother
ßrother LordNo.
ufo is making a list, checking it twice, removing abstain cause it’s a centerist vice
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:25
THIS. IS. SO. TRUE.
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:25
I will dig ds lite out of closet
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:25
abstain is vice
22:25
vice is sin
22:25
sin is against god
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:26
I thought Vice was news website
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Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:26
Estonians always have the worst takes
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[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:26
i love estonian takeout
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Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:26
Sin was made up by religious philosophers in order to sell more bibles
Brother Todarac
Sin was made up by religious philosophers in order to sell more bibles
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:26
ethanol was made up by "history of ethanol in human society" publishers in order to sell more cope books
22:26
Brother leijurv
THIS. IS. SO. TRUE.
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:27
notice how I didn't include a single abstain only other cringe masons put it
22:27
smh
22:27
society
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:27
This guy definitely has counted the chimneys
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:27
did we get too cocky ethanolbros?
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:27
https://www.amazon.com/Drink-Cultural-History-Iain-Gately/dp/1592404642
22:27
Alcohol is a fundamental part of Western culture
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:27
oh no, todarac has fallen to the cope book
22:27
sad!
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:28
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/796138087264026624
22:28
vote
Brother Todarac
Alcohol is a fundamental part of Western culture
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:28
u know what else was a fundamental part of western culture for a lot of years? slavery
22:28
left wing destroyed
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:28
Under that logic the opioid crisis is a central part of western culture
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:28
SO true.
Brother leijurv
left wing destroyed
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 05/01/2021 22:28
we when I drop my kfc bucket on the street and car drive over one of the chicken wings (the left one)
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3
we when I drop my kfc bucket on the street and car drive over one of the chicken wings (the left one)
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:29
me
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:29
The Red Hot Chili Peppers are cardinal saints of western culture
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Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:29
Opioids are a fundemental part of western culture
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:29
todarac logic: griefing is part of 2b2t culture so why are you mad i griefed your base
22:29
22:29
sin is bad no matter how many people do it
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 22:29
Griefing is a fundemental part of 2b2t culture
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:29
classic sinner moment spelling fundamental wrong
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:29
Western culture is a fundamental part of middle eastern culture
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:30
we are really all one culture if you think about it
Brother leijurv 05/01/2021 22:30
todarac i will sell you indulgences
Брат Bird 05/01/2021 22:33
Maybe the real western culture was the friends we made along the way
brother noname 05/01/2021 22:34
ok take this to #general-20210704 or #vc-text-20210704 now so we can talk about the guest
22:34
or not I'm not your mom
Brother Entropy 05/01/2021 23:05
ok dad
Brother Fruit 05/01/2021 23:46
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/796138087264026624
Gebrüder Zippie 05/01/2021 23:50
I disagree that this vote exists as it’s not anonymous
Brother Fruit 05/01/2021 23:51
So true
23:52
It’s okay though
23:52
It’s not a real vote
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 23:52
^ britian deciding to leave the EU be like
Brother Fruit 05/01/2021 23:52
Looool
Gebrüder Zippie
I disagree that this vote exists as it’s not anonymous
brother noname 05/01/2021 23:53
but it's not a vote
Gebrüder Zippie 05/01/2021 23:53
Lol
23:53
Idc either way
23:54
Tbh I’m very surprised that rain has so many yes votes as last time I asked everyone said no
Brother Fruit 05/01/2021 23:54
it’s a vote for guests not for initiates
23:54
except its not a vote
23:54
it’s a Survey™️
Gebrüder Zippie 05/01/2021 23:55
Ah misunderstood that
23:55
Well then I would have voted differently
23:55
This is a we need non anonymous voting
Brother Todarac 05/01/2021 23:56
THIS VOTE IS A LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT FOR INITIATION
Gebrüder Zippie 05/01/2021 23:56
Lol
Brother Wailn 05/01/2021 23:59
Sage isn’t on that list, but he is awesome
00:00
8 no’s for biggus ️ he is also great
1Charlie3 06/01/2021 00:00
sage is awesome
Brother Wailn
8 no’s for biggus ️ he is also great
1Charlie3 06/01/2021 00:00
also yeah wtf :(
00:01
and elv was a really cool dude i wish he didn't quit
Brother Wailn 06/01/2021 00:02
He’s active on cons pretty sure
00:03
He plays from time to time on 2b
Brother Fruit
it’s a vote for guests not for initiates
brother noname 06/01/2021 00:05
no its not retard did you even read my message (edited)
00:06
it's for GUEST WHO HAVE MASON POTENTIAL
Brother Wailn
Sage isn’t on that list, but he is awesome
brother noname 06/01/2021 00:07
fuck you're so right i forgot sage but in all fairness he hasn't been in the discord tooo too long
00:08
but anyways Henry it's more of like how we feeling if they could be initiates or not kinda thing
00:08
not so much about keeping them guest or not
brother noname
fuck you're so right i forgot sage but in all fairness he hasn't been in the discord tooo too long
Brother Wailn 06/01/2021 00:08
yeah true
brother noname 06/01/2021 00:08
he's def cool with me he's a seemingly very trustworthy guy
Brother Wailn 06/01/2021 00:09
for sure, he's one of the first people I met on 2b
brother noname
but anyways Henry it's more of like how we feeling if they could be initiates or not kinda thing
Brother Fruit 06/01/2021 00:39
yeah i get it
00:40
i just was too lazy to type all that out
brother noname 06/01/2021 00:43
okay good
Brother Fruit 06/01/2021 00:44
(edited)
Brother leijurv 06/01/2021 00:55
no this is fine because it's meant to be a discussion and isn't an actual decision
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00:55
❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Brother Casparov 06/01/2021 01:18
Not voting on anyone cuz idrc lmao
01:25
Except daporkchop, he's epic
brother noname 06/01/2021 01:34
very valid and cool opinion (edited)
eepy Joe 06/01/2021 01:34
i dont see kelv as bro material, but if he is ever not in this disc i wil CRY (edited)
Brother Pint 06/01/2021 04:58
neither Cubes nor mini are in that list :(
Brother Toilet (breithan) 06/01/2021 05:05
pretty sure cubes doesnt want to
brother noname 06/01/2021 05:16
^
Brother leijurv
i LITERALLY hate you
brother terbin 06/01/2021 08:49
Why? Brady never speaks
Brother leijurv 06/01/2021 08:53
he is based
brother terbin 06/01/2021 08:54
Not enough :)
08:54
We don’t want people looking down on us right ? And we are not worth his attention
08:55
Don’t ask what the masons can do for Brady, ask what Brady can do for the masons
Brother Floyd 06/01/2021 08:58
Based opinion
broder lampa 06/01/2021 08:59
gm (good morning)
brother terbin
Don’t ask what the masons can do for Brady, ask what Brady can do for the masons
een snail from palestine 06/01/2021 10:27
he does not want anything from the masons lol
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:27
i know
10:27
that's why I wrote that
een snail from palestine 06/01/2021 10:28
why should he?
10:28
is that not a good thing?
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:28
he should not
een snail from palestine 06/01/2021 10:28
its not any diff then Thebes (edited)
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:28
it was more a joke on him joining, and the obvious answer being he does not have any interest in joining
10:28
true true
een snail from palestine 06/01/2021 10:29
many other guests even
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:29
jep and we could lose them
broder lampa 06/01/2021 10:29
woke up on wrong side terbin? :)
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:29
the ones that don't participate at all
10:29
no no
10:30
I am completely calm
10:30
but thx for asking :)
broder lampa 06/01/2021 10:30
just you seemed negative from msgs in #restart and here
10:30
but good good
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:30
ahh ye
10:30
the restart thing was just to tease iron a bit
10:31
but you are right, it could be
10:31
so good call in any case to ask that
10:31
always like honesty like that
een snail from palestine 06/01/2021 10:31
iron bot moment
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:38
just a funny observation - military dudes get offended/sad easily if they don't get their way? Mike and now Clav
10:39
both are cool dudes, but left when things didn't go as they wanted
10:39
quickly
broder lampa 06/01/2021 10:39
tru
brother terbin 06/01/2021 10:40
sample size might be too small for a conclusion though :)
1Charlie3 06/01/2021 13:29
Conclusion -> all military bad
Brother Nekramite 06/01/2021 13:38
not tru
13:38
2/3
broder lampa 06/01/2021 13:44
oh god nekramite is gonna leave
Brother Nekramite 06/01/2021 13:47
2
brother noname 06/01/2021 20:23
20:24
chipoff pork dark rain thebes family all have a lot of mason potential
Brother Todarac 06/01/2021 21:40
agreed, I like talking to all of them
21:41
give newer people like netherrad and guddy a month or two, I think people will actually really like them too
21:41
they are super active
Brother Floyd 06/01/2021 22:07
Gud is very gud
22:08
Pun unintended
22:08
Netherrad seems very cool too
Brother Fruit 07/01/2021 06:23
Has Thebes been vcing
Brother Entropy 07/01/2021 06:25
nota word
Brother Fruit 07/01/2021 06:26
Yeah he doesn’t
brother terbin 07/01/2021 09:04
thebes also doesn't write anything in this discord
broder lampa 07/01/2021 09:20
i am one of the rare people who have heard thebes voice and lived
Brother Floyd 07/01/2021 09:37
Lul
09:38
I still don't get how Thebes has brother potential without saying a word or vcing once here
Brother Toilet (breithan) 07/01/2021 09:40
yeah
Brother Wailn 07/01/2021 12:12
Yeah thebes’ should be one of those permanent guests imo
Brother F3 07/01/2021 12:28
^
Gebrüder Zippie 07/01/2021 12:30
true
Brother F3 07/01/2021 12:39
imo there should be a special role for these guests otherwise we will always restart the discussion about them (sorry I think that was already discussed)
Brother Wailn
Yeah thebes’ should be one of those permanent guests imo
brother terbin 07/01/2021 12:59
agree
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 04:42
When are we planning on voting for Raaanch?
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 04:55
You sure like to crack the vote-on-people whip
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 05:00
I mean, no need to vote if people still need time to make up their minds... This is just an easy one for me to decide on.
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 05:05
we dont need to do a full month but god its been 12 days calm down lol
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 05:09
#voteraaanchnow
05:10
that'd be an easy 100%
05:10
if anyone says no it'd be simply to troll
brother noname 08/01/2021 05:10
let's vote rn
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Brother Toilet (breithan) 08/01/2021 05:17
we voted emperor in in like 5 minutes
05:18
lodge was half over. when he was brought up and we voted
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 07:59
let’s vote with the new bot
brother terbin 08/01/2021 08:09
yes
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 08:13
it’s so cute
Gebrüder Zippie 08/01/2021 10:12
im gonna vote no and noone is gonna know
Brother Fruit
let’s vote with the new bot
brother noname 08/01/2021 15:16
lets not say we did and never talk about it again
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 15:17
wat
brother noname 08/01/2021 15:17
lets not, say we did and never talk about it again (edited)
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 15:17
not say we did?
15:17
weird phrasing
15:17
why r u malding
brother noname 08/01/2021 15:18
cause its a dumb bot
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 15:18
how so
brother noname
cause its a dumb bot
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 15:19
>:(
Brother Fruit
it’s so cute
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 15:19
Much more accurate
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 17:18
notice ufo did not provide any legitimate reason
17:19
something something argument won
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 17:21
^^^^^
brother noname 08/01/2021 17:24
don't need to fix something that ain't broken
17:24
17:25
it's also not even that much people voting for yes vs no
Brother Toilet (breithan) 08/01/2021 17:27
It shouldnt have been "try anonymous voting" It shouldve been "try hiding vote counts until vote is closed"
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brother noname
don't need to fix something that ain't broken
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 17:31
tell that to babbaj
Brother Toilet (breithan)
It shouldnt have been "try anonymous voting" It shouldve been "try hiding vote counts until vote is closed"
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 17:31
well it’s both
17:33
Imagine if closed voting was what we always had, and then someone came asking for public voting. IMO, that would seem pretty suspect. Why would somebody need to see how other masons were voting?
17:34
If it were a case of votes failing without any understanding of why that was occurring, that could easily be handled by Worshipfuls privately
brother noname
cause its a dumb bot
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:42
what if we give it a super hot pfp and call it VowoTE
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 17:44
so true
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:44
real talk though, people should woman up and vote no if they feel no, and we shouldn't be afraid of initiates seeing these no votes because if an initiate sees a no vote and acts all weird/leaves/acts like a dick to the no voter then we didn't want them anyway.
17:45
Lamp voted no on me because of a meme I posted. I'm happy he felt comfortable to do so, and I hold no ill will towards him for it. I saw it as a flag that I need to get to know him more, or at least be less annoying around him
ßrother LordNo.
real talk though, people should woman up and vote no if they feel no, and we shouldn't be afraid of initiates seeing these no votes because if an initiate sees a no vote and acts all weird/leaves/acts like a dick to the no voter then we didn't want them anyway.
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 17:47
I dont think thats what they are worried about?
17:48
I thought they where saying that "othere brothers" would pressure people to change there vote
17:48
And I am not aware of this ever happening
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:49
that is a facet for sure. The whole "herd voting"
Brother Oppenheimer
And I am not aware of this ever happening
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:49
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/795015659305566208 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/795015694252113931
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:50
hiding a problem though rarely fixes it
Brother leijurv
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/795015659305566208 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/795015694252113931
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 17:50
I know you said that but never explained what happened, I still dont know what happened between them
ßrother LordNo.
hiding a problem though rarely fixes it
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:50
this is a troll comment, if the problem if people shaming others, anonymous voting does fix it
Brother Oppenheimer
I know you said that but never explained what happened, I still dont know what happened between them
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:50
o
17:50
one of my Earliest Masonic Memories
17:50
was terbin being the deciding no vote on aaronalvin
17:51
and ppl being super toxic in early vcs about it
17:51
they didnt think it was justified
Brother leijurv
this is a troll comment, if the problem if people shaming others, anonymous voting does fix it
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:51
If a vote fails that "should have gone through", it wont stop the shaming, it will just make it more panicked and less focused.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:51
how do you figure
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:51
"you guys let this vote fail" "which one of you did it" "I know it was mason because they are always saying how they dont like that person"
Brother leijurv
was terbin being the deciding no vote on aaronalvin
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 17:52
Surly any of the no votes are the deciding vote as you can change your vote/mind any time within the 24h?
Brother Oppenheimer
Surly any of the no votes are the deciding vote as you can change your vote/mind any time within the 24h?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:53
that's exactly right, except somehow there was this very uncomfortable bandwagoning as terbin was seen as the one Who Could Have Potentially Been Convinced To Vote Yes
ßrother LordNo.
"you guys let this vote fail" "which one of you did it" "I know it was mason because they are always saying how they dont like that person"
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:53
except you don't have to "always say how you don't like the person" anymore
Brother leijurv
that's exactly right, except somehow there was this very uncomfortable bandwagoning as terbin was seen as the one Who Could Have Potentially Been Convinced To Vote Yes
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:53
Was it known before hand that Terbin was on the fence?
ßrother LordNo.
Was it known before hand that Terbin was on the fence?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:54
i really don't remember maybe someone else can give context
17:54
but i'd say yes probably
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:54
Do you think Terbin is the kind of person to be shy about, or lie about the fact that he voted no if someone asked? (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:55
terbin can please correct me if i'm wrong, but he withdrew from the group for a bit afterwards because of that pressure
17:55
so no i don't think he's that kind of person, but given that event, maybe he might in the future
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 17:56
yeah I see where you are coming from
17:56
either way, I don't feel it is black or white. This is a very grey situation.
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 17:56
Did you join during the whole terbin owning the discord fiasco? That could have been the underlying cause of the negativity towards terbin?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 17:57
no, this looks like it was late june 2019
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 18:34
I guess the thing that I feel we'll have lost with anonymous voting is the ability to easily find out why a vote failed. Sometimes, masons will vote no, not because they have some personal vendetta against the initiate, but because the initiate just hasn't been able to make a connection with that person. In the past, masons vouching for an initiate have been able to say "Hey, your vote is going well, but a couple people are still unsure. You should try to make time to get in vc this week, especially if you see mason x,y,or z in there. Those three are the three that don't feel like they know you well enough for a Yes vote. (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 18:54
Now, if a vote fails, the convo sill go something like this: "Hey, your vote started. Based on all the talk, I think it'll pass for sure." "Nice! Thanks dude" One Day Later "Hey, vote failed" "Awwe man. Do you know what went wrong? "No" "Do you know what I should've done differently?" "Nope" "Are we allowed to re-nominae and try again in the future?" "Technically yes" "If we do, can I do anything to help convince people to change their votes?" "There's literally no way to know what you need to do differently. Because we don't know why it failed. We don't know who voted no, and we don't know why." (edited)
Brother Rathause 08/01/2021 18:57
I think we semi agreed last meeting that we wouldn’t do completely anonymous voting, would just keep it anonymous till after vote was closed
Brother Fruit 08/01/2021 18:57
But these conversations happen in #applicant-committee already
Brother Rathause 08/01/2021 18:57
That way we could discuss after without any pressure during the vote
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 18:58
But if the problem is vote-shaming, won't that still happen once we reveal the votes?
Brother Rathause 08/01/2021 18:58
Maybe
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 18:58
it passed so were just gonna try what they made and see how it goes
ßrother LordNo.
what if we give it a super hot pfp and call it VowoTE
brother noname 08/01/2021 18:59
very tempting
Brother Entropy
it passed so were just gonna try what they made and see how it goes
brother noname 08/01/2021 18:59
it passed at 53 percent that's barely passing
19:00
half the group will not like anonymous voting
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:00
it passed 53 percent thats passing
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:00
an intiate wouldn't pass at that
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:00
its been like this for years ufo
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:00
But if we do 80% to pass the vote, shouldn't we do 80% to change the voting process?
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:01
based
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:01
Just seems logical\ (edited)
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:01
boomerang for worshipful
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:02
we have a high threshold for approving people only
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:02
if we seriously let a 53 percent vote past I'm gonna be angry and riot
19:02
and I definitely won't vote anymore
19:02
maybe coup?
19:02
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 19:06
yes
19:06
tbh
19:06
Let’s storm the spawnmason capitol on const @brother noname
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Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:07
me after getting blocked from breaking into #worshipful-chat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMbI0zNL4n8
GRAND EVE
We’re storming the capital , it’s a revolution
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Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:08
its stupid to make a scene because it barely passed more than half want to try it you can storm the capitol all you want lol
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 19:08
What if our first anonymous vote is anonymously voting whether we should vote on initiates anonymously? (edited)
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brother noname 08/01/2021 19:08
the group is divided
brother terbin 08/01/2021 19:08
damn
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 19:08
No meme
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:09
you really want the group to be divided @Brother Entropy
19:09
instead of us actually coming up with a compromise we all agree on
19:09
3000 iq
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:10
the current thing leijurv explained seems quite reasonable to me and id almost vote yes on
19:10
yet im a chicken and afraid of change so i havent
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:10
everyone Heil your fuher @Brother Entropy
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:19
I guess I would be okay with anonymous voting if the 'no' votes still came with an explanation. Like, if the voting system was an anonymous form asking "Vote yes or no," followed by "Reason for no vote (if applicable):" That way, people wouldn't be at risk of getting harassed for their no vote, but nominators and initiates would be able to track how things are going and what the initiate needs to work on. It wouldn't tell them which masons to reach out to specifically, but at least it would give them some insight.
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:24
I'm just never voting in anonymous
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19:24
and it's my right
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 19:30
tbh
Bromger Boomerang
But if we do 80% to pass the vote, shouldn't we do 80% to change the voting process?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:36
This is honestly reasonable in the general case, but since all that's changing here is the timing of when what's visible I don't think it's strictly necessary. But I agree with the sentiment. For example, I don't think 51 percent should be able to change the "80 percent for initiation" down to 50
Bromger Boomerang
I guess I would be okay with anonymous voting if the 'no' votes still came with an explanation. Like, if the voting system was an anonymous form asking "Vote yes or no," followed by "Reason for no vote (if applicable):" That way, people wouldn't be at risk of getting harassed for their no vote, but nominators and initiates would be able to track how things are going and what the initiate needs to work on. It wouldn't tell them which masons to reach out to specifically, but at least it would give them some insight.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:36
This is one of the things I suggested: having a free-form text field where you can just explain why you voted the way you did
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 19:36
i'm hard agaisnt anonynous voting. we all know or kinda know everyone in the group, so why should we try to hide anything fairly important from eachother - like letting a new person in?
19:38
if we have a problem with people being pressured into a certain vote, all the pressured person has to do is tell some1 else: "hey, so-and-so is doing x" (edited)
Brother Entropy
yet im a chicken and afraid of change so i havent
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:38
lol
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 19:39
i'd very much like to know what my bros and voting on and why
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Brother Pint
if we have a problem with people being pressured into a certain vote, all the pressured person has to do is tell some1 else: "hey, so-and-so is doing x" (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:39
victim blaming band aid solution
Brother Pint
i'd very much like to know what my bros and voting on and why
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:39
im sure you do, but that's not an inherent (or even a common) variant on democracy which commonly is anonymous
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 19:39
and at the least, if we do elect to do anon voting, we could have a vote-reveal at the end
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:39
if we do elect to do
We did
Brother leijurv
im sure you do, but that's not an inherent (or even a common) variant on democracy which commonly is anonymous
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 19:40
this isn't a usual democracy; it's a brotherhood
Brother Pint
this isn't a usual democracy; it's a brotherhood
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:40
Maybe we should change the rule away from a numeric percentage and towards consensus based discussion (like how Wikipedia does it) with no hard cutoffs
Brother leijurv
if we do elect to do
We did
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 19:40
news
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:41
i think this is still not clear leijurv https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797154402804826153
19:41
wiki sounds like 5x the trouble and problems
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:41
Yeah it is, for the people who close discussions (wiki admins -> worshipful)
Brother leijurv
Maybe we should change the rule away from a numeric percentage and towards consensus based discussion (like how Wikipedia does it) with no hard cutoffs
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 19:42
that's a possibility
Brother Entropy
i think this is still not clear leijurv https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797154402804826153
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:43
I lowkey think that is maybe caused by you writing the vote that way and trying to get me and boomerang to stop talking about it by switching to voting instead of discussion, the vote could have been more clear if we had talked about all these possible variants and ended up on a clear idea that could be yes'd or no'd
19:43
I didn't write that in lodge votes you did lol
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:44
well you keep saying its an option
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:44
Yes
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:44
is it the option or not
19:44
like its all the difference
Brother Todarac 08/01/2021 19:44
yes if only you and boomerang went in circles for another 10 mins it would have been solved (edited)
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 19:44
(anonymous)VOTEMASONS
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:44
Just to point this out, actual democratic voting systems are extremely rare because anonymous voting causes these kinds of complications. Most "democracies" use a representative systems where members of a senate are elected. Those members vote on policy and it is, get this, not anonymous.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:44
There are many variants we have discussed and this 15 to 13 vote was ambiguous, I can't magically make it unambiguous
Brother Todarac
yes if only you and boomerang went in circles for another 10 mins it would have been solved (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:45
False dichotomy
Bromger Boomerang
Just to point this out, actual democratic voting systems are extremely rare because anonymous voting causes these kinds of complications. Most "democracies" use a representative systems where members of a senate are elected. Those members vote on policy and it is, get this, not anonymous.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:45
Highly based
19:45
Applicant discussion happens in here, worshipfuls are the only ones who get to vote (based on said discussion)
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:46
i think most of the people against anonymous would be fine if they get the reveal
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:46
If we clarify terms of impeachment, I'm fine with that.
Bromger Boomerang
If we clarify terms of impeachment, I'm fine with that.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:47
It is, and has always been, 51 percent to remove someone
19:47
Either from spawnmason or worshipful
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:48
anonymous voting for 30 people
19:48
what a fucking joke
Brother leijurv
Applicant discussion happens in here, worshipfuls are the only ones who get to vote (based on said discussion)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:49
I mean, that's basically what applicant council was, only with more than just worshipfuls. (edited)
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:50
(app council was 80% of sm and a mess)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:50
I preferred the council system tbh. I'd vote to go back to that before changing to anonymous. (edited)
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Brother Todarac 08/01/2021 19:50
ufo will try anything once, including multiple hard drugs but not anonymous voting
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:50
oh imma try
19:50
but i aint gonna like it
19:51
also i would never do heroin or meth (edited)
19:51
so
19:51
and by try it i mean im not gonna vote and let the lil snowflakes who are too scared of our normal voting method work
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Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:52
ok were gonna try the bot for one vote next week and then were gonna do approval with all options to see what to keep
2
19:52
lo
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:52
better put abstain
19:52
now im all for abstain
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:52
how did we get here
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:54
cause we made a new even shittier voting system
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19:54
when nothing was wrong
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:54
Mail-in-voting when?
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:54
based
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:55
i think im still waiting for a package from breithan that was sent before christmas
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:55
dont change the subject
19:55
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 19:55
Lol. Probably weighs a ton. Might've gotten stopped by customs.
brother noname
what a fucking joke
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:58
why don't you look at the 15 people who wanted it and try and convince them otherwise
19:58
or if you don't want to do that, then just go with it
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 19:59
its 16 now
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:59
lol
brother noname 08/01/2021 19:59
it ended a long time ago
19:59
lodge votes are only 24 hours
19:59
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 19:59
if convincing the people who vote against you is so good then why weren't you able to get your way here
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:00
still funny how it just changed
Brother leijurv
if convincing the people who vote against you is so good then why weren't you able to get your way here
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:00
what
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:00
i am having difficulty understanding your perspective
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:01
okay ill try and lay it out again one more time
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:04
@brother noname is soooo and @Bromger Boomerang too, agree 100%
20:04
Brother Toilet (breithan) 08/01/2021 20:07
Too much to read it all but are you guys against full anonymous of the hiding votes then revealing when vote is done?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:07
from our dm: `Negative_Entropy Today at 10:01 AM cant y ou just like compile the best version lol leijurv Today at 10:04 AM i believe the current plan is this: • during a vote, voters only see the count of how many people have voted thus far • worshipfuls can see exactly what's going on. you can still try and make sure that anyone who voted against the group explains why and talks about it in applicant committee. • after the vote ends it reveals the counts. it does not reveal who voted what, that burden of knowledge stays on just Normal Discussion in the committee (which you can prod forwards knowing who did what). Negative_Entropy Today at 10:06 AM who would vote no on this except for the people that dont wanna change anything in any case` (the "you" in this is, obviously, entropy, in case that was unclear) (edited)
broder lampa 08/01/2021 20:08
guys it's "try" anonymous voting not switch forever, try and see if it is a good idea or not
20:08
also you guys post too much
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Brother leijurv
from our dm: `Negative_Entropy Today at 10:01 AM cant y ou just like compile the best version lol leijurv Today at 10:04 AM i believe the current plan is this: • during a vote, voters only see the count of how many people have voted thus far • worshipfuls can see exactly what's going on. you can still try and make sure that anyone who voted against the group explains why and talks about it in applicant committee. • after the vote ends it reveals the counts. it does not reveal who voted what, that burden of knowledge stays on just Normal Discussion in the committee (which you can prod forwards knowing who did what). Negative_Entropy Today at 10:06 AM who would vote no on this except for the people that dont wanna change anything in any case` (the "you" in this is, obviously, entropy, in case that was unclear) (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:09
Why not see who voted what after???!!!
Brother Oppenheimer
Why not see who voted what after???!!!
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:09
because that defeats every point of hiding who voted what lol
20:09
what does a 24h delay accomplish?
20:09
well that's not true
20:09
it would help with bandwagoning
Brother Toilet (breithan) 08/01/2021 20:09
Yeah
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:10
SO HOW THE HELL can you tell initiates what to improve on if you cant ask the people who voted no!!!!!
Brother leijurv
why don't you look at the 15 people who wanted it and try and convince them otherwise
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:10
why would i convince people to change their vote on a vote that is over
20:10
i was gonna lay it out
Brother Toilet (breithan) 08/01/2021 20:10
Im fine with showing who voted what after or not either way but i do think the vote count should be hidden during voting
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:10
but i really dont know how much i care
Brother Oppenheimer
SO HOW THE HELL can you tell initiates what to improve on if you cant ask the people who voted no!!!!!
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:10
please read `which you can prod forwards knowing who did what` and `you can still try and make sure that anyone who voted against the group explains why and talks about it in applicant committee`
Brother Todarac 08/01/2021 20:10
you dont magically get info on what to tell initiates based off a vote, to be fair. We talk about them in this channel for that reason
brother noname
why would i convince people to change their vote on a vote that is over
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:10
i was speaking sorta joking-vaguely, i'm sorry i shouldn't have
20:10
rereading, it's unclear
Brother leijurv
please read `which you can prod forwards knowing who did what` and `you can still try and make sure that anyone who voted against the group explains why and talks about it in applicant committee`
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:11
It should be mandatory! To say why you voted no!
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:11
it should be mandatory for no and yes
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:11
yes
Brother Oppenheimer
It should be mandatory! To say why you voted no!
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:11
we could add a freeform text box in the bot where you can explain why
broder lampa 08/01/2021 20:12
Worshipfuls shouldn't see how people voted either
20:12
That's the only issue i have with what leijurv posted
Brother leijurv
we could add a freeform text box in the bot where you can explain why
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:12
Who do you think is to scared and frail to tell us why they voted? I dont know anyone in here like that?????
Brother Todarac 08/01/2021 20:12
how about we go in the other direction from anonymous: make a bot that PM's the person what you voted
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:12
loll
broder lampa
Worshipfuls shouldn't see how people voted either
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:12
100% agreed
Brother Entropy
loll
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:13
yea but i said why im like 98 percent sure
broder lampa 08/01/2021 20:13
You shouldn't need to explain why you voted a certain way
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:13
afterwards
20:13
yes
broder lampa
You shouldn't need to explain why you voted a certain way
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:13
based
Brother Oppenheimer
It should be mandatory! To say why you voted no!
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:13
we don't make decisions by consensus, we do it by numeric percentage. if you don't like that and want to change to merit-of-argument-based decision making, then that's a separate discussion
broder lampa 08/01/2021 20:13
Although it should be encouraged
Brother Entropy
loll
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:13
lmfao ironic
Brother leijurv
we don't make decisions by consensus, we do it by numeric percentage. if you don't like that and want to change to merit-of-argument-based decision making, then that's a separate discussion
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:14
? Im not debating that
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:14
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797196368971694110 in other words, jordan, i fully agree that people should explain why they think they way they do, it's courteous i disagree with this whole "mandatory" bit. what precisely does mandatory mean? what happens, exactly, if you refuse?
20:15
if it's entropy nagging you in DM, then that's always been the case, and will still be
Brother Oppenheimer
? Im not debating that
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:15
you sort of are, when you say that making argument is a mandatory part of casting a vote lol
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:16
i vote no on these things because it gets way too complicated to change this stuff lol
Brother leijurv
lmfao ironic
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:16
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:16
yes ufo afterwards its ok lol
brother noname
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:16
so the system worked fine, entropy prodded you in dm, and you explained
20:16
so nothing would change there
20:16
?????
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:16
how would he prod me if he cant see who voted
20:16
huh?
20:16
am i missing somegthing?
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:16
leijurv lets worshipful only see but i dont really like that too
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 20:17
the vocal minority vocalizes again
brother noname
am i missing somegthing?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:17
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797194771675742251 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797195558506201089 (edited)
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:17
how am i supposed to know what you guys say in dms
Brother leijurv
you sort of are, when you say that making argument is a mandatory part of casting a vote lol
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:17
No im not. If you vote no you should have a reason, no matter how stupid eg. I dont like their hair. Therefore you should have to provide said reason if the brother that nominated said initiate asks you. (edited)
brother noname
how am i supposed to know what you guys say in dms
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:17
you aren't!
Brother Oppenheimer
No im not. If you vote no you should have a reason, no matter how stupid eg. I dont like their hair. Therefore you should have to provide said reason if the brother that nominated said initiate asks you. (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:18
again, what precisely do you mean by "should have to" and what happens if you don't do it
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 20:18
i CANNOT WAIT for my votes to be overturned because someone doesnt like the reasoning!!!!
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:18
welcome to the masons newfriend uwu so cute ily (edited)
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 20:19
le trolle
Brother leijurv
again, what precisely do you mean by "should have to" and what happens if you don't do it
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:20
You keep trying to find problems where there are not any. I do not ever envision a brother declining to tell someone why they voted no, that just not what this group is.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:20
when you say things like "should have to" and "mandatory" it sounds exactly like what someone would say if they wanted consensus based decisions a strict numeric percentage is just that, a mathematical calculation based on number of people on each side. which is not the same system as strongest-argument-wins
Brother Oppenheimer
You keep trying to find problems where there are not any. I do not ever envision a brother declining to tell someone why they voted no, that just not what this group is.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:20
motte and bailey
Brother Oppenheimer
You keep trying to find problems where there are not any. I do not ever envision a brother declining to tell someone why they voted no, that just not what this group is.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:20
u are implying something, backing down whenever i ask you to clarify, then repeat
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:22
leijurv thinks more in code than jordan
Brother leijurv
u are implying something, backing down whenever i ask you to clarify, then repeat
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:22
Are you insane? @Brother leijurv
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:22
i disagree with the fundamental idea that people should be required to explain their votes, or that it should be mandatory to argue their case, or any of that. votes are votes. it is courteous and nice if they explain what they think but when you start to say that they 'should have to' or whatever, it sounds no different than saying that only explained votes should count. but then i ask and you back down lol
Brother leijurv
i disagree with the fundamental idea that people should be required to explain their votes, or that it should be mandatory to argue their case, or any of that. votes are votes. it is courteous and nice if they explain what they think but when you start to say that they 'should have to' or whatever, it sounds no different than saying that only explained votes should count. but then i ask and you back down lol
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:22
THIS IS A BROTHERHOOD
Brother Oppenheimer
Are you insane? @Brother leijurv
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:23
"implying something" = using phrases like "should have to" and "mandatory" "backing down" = saying it isn't really mandatory at all and nothing happens if you choose not to provide a reason
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:23
jordan going sicko mode
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:23
it seems pretty clear to me
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:23
some people are intimmidated by the questioning some poeple don't want or can't explain their vote
20:23
hence if the vote is public
20:23
they will vote with the flow
20:23
no matter what
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:23
how do you know that
20:24
sounds like speculation (edited)
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:24
this is from experience speaking to people in the past
Brother Oppenheimer
THIS IS A BROTHERHOOD
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:24
and our system of making decisions is based on numeric percentages in which we count votes, not "explained votes". do you think that should change? you say no, but then you imply yes with "should have to" and "mandatory" lol
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:24
loud minority has huge influence in public votes
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:24
so anecdotal evidence ?
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:24
saying it happened before
brother terbin
some people are intimmidated by the questioning some poeple don't want or can't explain their vote
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:25
Yes, then they can say that, the point is people should be able to try and ask them!
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:25
then why not have a round
20:25
at the weekend
20:25
where everyone explains their vote
20:25
no matter if yes or no
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:25
even more pressure towards group conformity lol
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:25
what if i dont vote do i have to explain why i didnt vote
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:25
yes
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:25
haha
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:25
in that system
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:25
why
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:26
because if you have to explain a no
Brother leijurv
and our system of making decisions is based on numeric percentages in which we count votes, not "explained votes". do you think that should change? you say no, but then you imply yes with "should have to" and "mandatory" lol
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:26
No it should not change but you should be able to ask for the next vote so the same thing does not happen!
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:26
you should explain a non vote
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:26
what if i abstain
20:26
do i have to explain
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:26
you should say why
20:26
and if a no should be explained
Brother Oppenheimer
No it should not change but you should be able to ask for the next vote so the same thing does not happen!
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:26
i agree that you should be able to ask, in here, "can the people who voted no please explain why" i DISagree when you say that a response to that question is mandatory
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:26
yeses should be explained too
20:26
why only nos
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:26
yes
20:26
agreed
Brother leijurv
i agree that you should be able to ask, in here, "can the people who voted no please explain why" i DISagree when you say that a response to that question is mandatory
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:27
Some people dont read all the messages/ miss some!
brother terbin 08/01/2021 20:27
that's why the weekend is perfect
Brother Oppenheimer
Some people dont read all the messages/ miss some!
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:27
LOL
20:27
still a moot point because the current thought is that entropy can still poke people to explain their position
20:27
or do we need more than one person dming them for them to read the message
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 20:28
visible to some is weird
Brother leijurv
or do we need more than one person dming them for them to read the message
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 20:28
ALL The people that are effected by the vote should be able to! (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 20:29
not "to explain their position in dm", i meant "to explain their position 'in public', in this channel" sorry (edited)
brother noname 08/01/2021 20:30
back in my days worshipfuls woulda just tried anonymous voting then had a vote on if we should do it or not
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smh
broder lampa 08/01/2021 20:31
they would make the vote for if we should try anon voting anon
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we should've done that actually
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 21:26
were gonna try it next week and later re-evaluate all our options properly ok
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 21:52
@Brother leijurv I think you're taking the idea that people want explanations for 'no' votes to mean that they want to decide on the validity of those reasonings. That's not what it is at all. The purpose of asking brothers to give reasons for their vote is because every mason decides on initiates based on their own criteria. When nominating a friend to the group, brothers ought to actively help their initiate to participate in the group in ways that fulfill the other brothers' criteria. If an initiate isn't in vc enough, or isn't in vc at the right times, or is in vc too much, or talks too much, or makes annoying jokes, or has an annoying name, or is a brony... Whatever the reasons for why people are voting no, it is so helpful to know those reasons so that a brother can help their initiate friend make the best impression, or they can at least understand why their initiate got declined. Knowing why we do and don't choose initiates helps us pick better ones and prepare them better to get off to a good start in the group. Transparency of voting isn't intended to shame brothers into changing their votes. Transparency of voting helps us each understand what the others are looking for and what they're deciding based on. (edited)
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Brother Entropy
were gonna try it next week and later re-evaluate all our options properly ok
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:05
I guess let's try it, but I don't think we'll get a good feel for how anonymous voting works out for us until we have a vote that fails. If the vote passes, no one will think about who voted no or why, but if it unexpectedly fails, I think there will certainly be confusion and frustration. (edited)
Bromger Boomerang
@Brother leijurv I think you're taking the idea that people want explanations for 'no' votes to mean that they want to decide on the validity of those reasonings. That's not what it is at all. The purpose of asking brothers to give reasons for their vote is because every mason decides on initiates based on their own criteria. When nominating a friend to the group, brothers ought to actively help their initiate to participate in the group in ways that fulfill the other brothers' criteria. If an initiate isn't in vc enough, or isn't in vc at the right times, or is in vc too much, or talks too much, or makes annoying jokes, or has an annoying name, or is a brony... Whatever the reasons for why people are voting no, it is so helpful to know those reasons so that a brother can help their initiate friend make the best impression, or they can at least understand why their initiate got declined. Knowing why we do and don't choose initiates helps us pick better ones and prepare them better to get off to a good start in the group. Transparency of voting isn't intended to shame brothers into changing their votes. Transparency of voting helps us each understand what the others are looking for and what they're deciding based on. (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:30
agree with every word you absolutely should explain what you think, but i won't say anything stronger than that. so i was taking issue with the idea of it being mandatory / required. in other words: i was not "taking the idea that people want explanations for 'no' votes to mean that they want to decide on the validity", i was taking issue with a very specific thing which is that jordan suggested those attached explanations should be mandatory, and I was pushing on what that requirement would really end up meaning. except the last two sentences actually – i'm not so sure it matters what it's "intended" to do? i also don't understand why transparency is required in order to have these discussions: like, in the spirit of brotherhoodly cooperation, people should explain what they think. if someone refuses to do so, then we don't get to hear why they think that. this would not change. both today, and in this hypothetical future, people vote no, and if they don't explain why publicly entropy pokes them in DM to do so. they could still ignore that DM, in both events. there is something that's being overlooked with that conclusion about transparency: we both clearly agree that people should vote with how they personally believe. but non-anonymous voting decreases that quality (for many mentioned reasons, like not wanting to be put over the fire (so to speak) of people jumping on you for not voting how they like). so, i have a hard time understanding those last two sentences. it sounds like you're trying to draw a line between "shaming" and "just asking questions". i don't really think this difference holds up, or even "is real". perhaps instead of "shame" the word could be "influence".
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rephrasing: if there is a gap in the understood facts of the matter (such as the example that was given in lodge of someone being active in different time zones), we don't need a public vote in order to resolve it. if that might be an issue, a nominator might simply explain that in applicant committee. someone who thinks it's an issue can just ask "why do i never see them in vc", and get an answer. i don't see why this process of understanding the decision that's before us requires public knowledge of who voted what. it just requires that we discuss the applicant, like we always have done. re-rephrasing: once we all know the facts of the matter, the vote is a matter of personal opinion / decision. "do i want them in the group". that isn't something that requires transparency in order to be faithful and accurate, quite the opposite. people behave closer to their true selves while anonymous. when it isn't anonymous, you get stuff along the lines of https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591647666421891103 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591846302602493956 where the argument isn't about the scenario, but rather about that difference of opinion (in this case, how much interaction (vc) is necessary) (and still, on top of all that, i'm agreeing with the compromise which is that entropy could see who's doin what and poke them privately if need be to explain their thoughts publicly)
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(also, a hypothetical was brought up which is what if someone consistently votes against the group, such as to be obstinate, with the idea that anonymous voting would makes this easier / more attainable. i don't think that would happen, rather the opposite. if you vote in bad faith, you don't get the attention of people knowing that you did what you did. on top of which, worshipfuls could still take a look if it becomes a problem. and finally, setting up a group to be a strict numeric democracy means that you sacrifice the ability to discard bad arguments. in other words, if someone is voting with no good reason, then it is what it is. i think that is a reasonable tradeoff)
eepy Joe 08/01/2021 22:30
oh no we're in the textwalling stage
Brother Toilet (breithan) 08/01/2021 22:30
I abstain from reading this all
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brother noname 08/01/2021 22:39
I didn't read those ngl
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how tf did u guys not hit 2k chars
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 22:39
tbh
brother noname 08/01/2021 22:39
can someone give me a tldr @Brother leijurv
broder lampa 08/01/2021 22:40
ur mom
brother noname
can someone give me a tldr @Brother leijurv
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:40
the good parts of transparency (discussion, understanding) can happen even in anonymous voting by just talking to your fellow brothers in good faith (edited)
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even if that fails, entropy can prod you to do so
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there's your tl;dr
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 22:40
brother noname 08/01/2021 22:41
same words but I'm glad we all agree now
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just different words
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 22:42
@Brother leijurv did you do high school debate
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:42
no but i edit wikipedia
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 22:42
oh
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:(
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:42
Just gonna point out that if we'd always been using anonymous voting, Pint and Brony would not be in the group. I personally reached out to 'no' votes for both of them, not to pressure people into changing their votes, but to find out why they voted as they did, present my testimonial for why I thought the person was right for the group, and to personally bridge the gap between the initiate and the brother that claims top not know them well enough. I set up a line of communication between the no-voters and the initiates. From there, everyone was free to decide for themselves. The votes passed. Now, I don't think anyone felt that I forced their hand and pressured them into flopping. I certainly hope no one feels that way. I didn't di it in bad faith. I did it because I felt that both of those guys deserved a full consideration and I wanted to make sure that every brother had the chance to do that.
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Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:42
i had some friends in high school debate
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it was pretty cring, seemed
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 22:42
i do high school debate
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it is
22:42
the 1v1 lincoln douglas debate is super retarded everyone is weird
Bromger Boomerang
Just gonna point out that if we'd always been using anonymous voting, Pint and Brony would not be in the group. I personally reached out to 'no' votes for both of them, not to pressure people into changing their votes, but to find out why they voted as they did, present my testimonial for why I thought the person was right for the group, and to personally bridge the gap between the initiate and the brother that claims top not know them well enough. I set up a line of communication between the no-voters and the initiates. From there, everyone was free to decide for themselves. The votes passed. Now, I don't think anyone felt that I forced their hand and pressured them into flopping. I certainly hope no one feels that way. I didn't di it in bad faith. I did it because I felt that both of those guys deserved a full consideration and I wanted to make sure that every brother had the chance to do that.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:42
not to pressure people into changing their votes present my testimonial for why I thought the person was right for the group
it sounds like you were pressuring them by trying to convince them why the person was right for the group
1Charlie3 08/01/2021 22:43
same with policy debate
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 22:44
people (re)act very different when you ask them directly / in dms lol strong tactic and leijurv thinks its op https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/961/He's_Too_Dangerous_To_Be_Left_Alive_Banner.jpg (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:45
yes
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 22:45
i use it all the time
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:S
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:45
i think that publicly making a statement in this channel is reasonable, but reaching out to people in dms to bug them is not
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:47
Talking directly to your friend and personally advocating for someone you like to be in the group is OP? Seems like basic interpersonal communication to me.\
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:47
in the context of a vote, it is OP
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yet again, having a discussion about an initiate is perfectly valid
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it's not like this channel would go away??
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you just don't need specifically the knowledge of who voted what in the final tally in order to have had a fruitful interpersonal communicative discussion before that vote!
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Talking directly to your friend and personally advocating for someone you like to be in the group is OP
yes. because that's trying to privately influence their vote (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:49
Discussions in this channel are often not read by the people who would benefit most from the information.
Bromger Boomerang
Discussions in this channel are often not read by the people who would benefit most from the information.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:50
its almost as if, right after that, ufo asked for a tldr and i gave it
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https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797235557536890890 again, this is only bad if it's within the context of you knowing how they voted, and them knowing that you want them to change that if you're reaching out before any vote has happened to ask them what they think, or talk to them about the candidate, etc etc etc i don't really see a problem
Brother leijurv
Talking directly to your friend and personally advocating for someone you like to be in the group is OP
yes. because that's trying to privately influence their vote (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:52
More like trying to influence their opinion, not their vote. No one is asking for anyone to vote yes on someone they dislike. But if Something can be said that changes their opinion and makes them like the initiate, then the vote is still legitimate and everyone benefits. (edited)
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 22:53
leijurv would disagree because whoever uses this tactic on a large scale can affect a lot
Brother Entropy
i use it all the time
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 22:53
Bromger Boomerang
More like trying to influence their opinion, not their vote. No one is asking for anyone to vote yes on someone they dislike. But if Something can be said that changes their opinion and makes them like the initiate, then the vote is still legitimate and everyone benefits. (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:53
that changes their opinion and makes them like the initiate, then the vote is still legitimate
no, it's not. why do you think that?
22:53
want to reiterate: `again, this is only bad if it's within the context of you knowing how they voted, and them knowing that you want them to change that`
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:54
Because the voter still voted based on what they want... How would that not be legit?
Bromger Boomerang
More like trying to influence their opinion, not their vote. No one is asking for anyone to vote yes on someone they dislike. But if Something can be said that changes their opinion and makes them like the initiate, then the vote is still legitimate and everyone benefits. (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:54
the difference between discussing an initiate, and trying to influence a vote, is if there is a vote that is public/non-anonymous and you know how they voted and you don't like it and you want them to change it and they know you want them to change it
Bromger Boomerang
Because the voter still voted based on what they want... How would that not be legit?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:55
coercion exists?? decisions that in other contexts would be valid and innocent can become coercive depending on the environment they are made in??
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 22:55
this is way more amusing here than in voice
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 22:55
So political campaigning in runoff elections makes all votes illegitimate?
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 22:56
(honestly i would say so) i wish none of that existed (edited)
Bromger Boomerang
So political campaigning in runoff elections makes all votes illegitimate?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:56
you missed the "is public/non-anonymous" and the "know how they voted" in https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797236853643804692
Brother leijurv
that changes their opinion and makes them like the initiate, then the vote is still legitimate
no, it's not. why do you think that?
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 22:56
there is no harm in presenting some1 with new information - as long as it isn't false. if it causes some1 to change their opinion, that is up to the beholder
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:56
that's not true pint
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if
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the vote
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is non-anonymous
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i will take people's opinions into account, if i can vote freely
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if they'll know how i voted and could, say, hold a grudge that i didn't "hear them out" or "give the initiate a chance"
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then i'm not voting freely
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it's coerced because they'll know what i did and don't like it lol
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https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797237272432345109 things like campaigning, candidate ads on tv, etc etc are not the same because the candidate won't ever know what you voted, it's your own personal decision based on all the such campaigning and debates that you've seen while making up your mind lol
Brother Pint
there is no harm in presenting some1 with new information - as long as it isn't false. if it causes some1 to change their opinion, that is up to the beholder
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 22:59
walk into bank present new information to bank teller "i have a gun and want you to give me some money" this new information is true the teller changes their opinion on whether or not to give me money this change of opinion was up to the beholder the teller is fired for giving people money through their own opinions
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(this is a joke)
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(but is meant to illustrate that "presenting information" isn't an objectively morally-neutral act, if the information has consequences. if you know how someone voted, them presenting you with "i want you to vote this way and i'll know if you do so or not" has a consequence on your relationship with them)
Brother leijurv
(but is meant to illustrate that "presenting information" isn't an objectively morally-neutral act, if the information has consequences. if you know how someone voted, them presenting you with "i want you to vote this way and i'll know if you do so or not" has a consequence on your relationship with them)
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:03
if you're so offended by some1 having a particular opinion and holding to it after new info is presented then idk what to tell such a person aside from grow some skin (edited)
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and that "you're" is not specificall you (edited)
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just to clarify
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just anyone
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:04
agreed
Brother Pint
if you're so offended by some1 having a particular opinion and holding to it after new info is presented then idk what to tell such a person aside from grow some skin (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:04
not what i'm saying at all, the "offended" part is misunderstanding who the "victim" (so to speak) is of this imaginary coercion
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if A wants to influence B's vote, i don't care if A gets offended by B being obstinate
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why would i?
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yes A should grow some skin
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:06
the teller is fired for giving people money through their own opinions
also, i don't mean to be petty and pick apart a metaphor, but firing a teller bc they were threatened with their life over some paper is idioyic and stupid
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and lawsuit worthy
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:07
If someone reached out to me about an initiate that I voted no on, I would explain why I voted how I did. If they presented me with new information and it didn't change my opinion, I would just... tell them that. I would again explain my justification for my no vote. That way they would know why I voted. They would know that they'd done everything they could, and I would know that I considered all of the facts.
Brother Pint
the teller is fired for giving people money through their own opinions
also, i don't mean to be petty and pick apart a metaphor, but firing a teller bc they were threatened with their life over some paper is idioyic and stupid
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:07
they were threatened? no they were just presented with true new information that someone wanted money
Bromger Boomerang
If someone reached out to me about an initiate that I voted no on, I would explain why I voted how I did. If they presented me with new information and it didn't change my opinion, I would just... tell them that. I would again explain my justification for my no vote. That way they would know why I voted. They would know that they'd done everything they could, and I would know that I considered all of the facts.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:08
why does this scenario need to happen? you're treating it like a necessary aspect of open communication. maybe instead this discussion could happen in public, in the applicant committee?
Brother leijurv
they were threatened? no they were just presented with true new information that someone wanted money
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:08
regardless of whether or not there actually was a weapon present, my point still stands
Brother Pint
regardless of whether or not there actually was a weapon present, my point still stands
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:09
what's special about a "threat"?
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:10
Leif, you know that telling a bank teller that you want the money in the context you described would be a threat. Don't play technicalities here. If a mason were reaching out to people making indirect and veiled threats, that would obviously be bad and should not be allowed. That would amount to harming a brother imo.
Bromger Boomerang
Leif, you know that telling a bank teller that you want the money in the context you described would be a threat. Don't play technicalities here. If a mason were reaching out to people making indirect and veiled threats, that would obviously be bad and should not be allowed. That would amount to harming a brother imo.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:10
what if the threat is 1000x lower stakes?
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if i know how you vote, and i'm asking you to vote a certain way, then if you don't do it I will know
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correct?
Bromger Boomerang
Leif, you know that telling a bank teller that you want the money in the context you described would be a threat. Don't play technicalities here. If a mason were reaching out to people making indirect and veiled threats, that would obviously be bad and should not be allowed. That would amount to harming a brother imo.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:11
you're sailing right past the argument. i'm suggesting that both are implicit threats, and you're taking it as if i'm suggesting that neither is a threat
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:13
i give up. this is actually asinine. people are allowed to have opinions and should be allowed to share them here- regardless of the outcome of such and especially in the confines of a closed group of people who know each other as more than strangers. even more so when pertaining to the possibility of letting in a new person as a member who will have a further effect on the group and its well-being in the future. (edited)
Brother Pint
i give up. this is actually asinine. people are allowed to have opinions and should be allowed to share them here- regardless of the outcome of such and especially in the confines of a closed group of people who know each other as more than strangers. even more so when pertaining to the possibility of letting in a new person as a member who will have a further effect on the group and its well-being in the future. (edited)
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:13
i agree pint. but why do you need to specifically DM someone who isn't voting the way you like? why isn't it good enough to make your argument in public, to everyone?
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:13
Okay, yes. Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with, along with the implication that you'll know if they don't do it would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move. I would feel fine calling someone out for that. Has anyone ever done that? Is that a problem we have here?
Bromger Boomerang
Okay, yes. Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with, along with the implication that you'll know if they don't do it would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move. I would feel fine calling someone out for that. Has anyone ever done that? Is that a problem we have here?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:14
so, given that votes are public, you will know if they don't do it. so we don't need that second implication part. it's always true
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so in a non-anonymous voting system: `Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move`
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I would agree with that ^ rephrasing (edited)
Brother leijurv
i agree pint. but why do you need to specifically DM someone who isn't voting the way you like? why isn't it good enough to make your argument in public, to everyone?
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:14
ok, from that perspective, i can better see what you're arguing
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:15
yea
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i don't think we need to single out people, dm them / ping them / whatever, if we don't like how they vote
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i think it's more or less a threat
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we can accomplish communication and consensus without needing to know how people vote
Brother leijurv
so in a non-anonymous voting system: `Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move`
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:15
Yes that rephrasing is good.
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again, Is that a problem we have here?
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:16
not currently afaik
Bromger Boomerang
Yes that rephrasing is good.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:16
i think that if you dm someone asking them why they voted a certain way, the implication is that you'd like them to vote differently. (again, only in our current scenario https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797236853643804692)
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:16
unless some1 want's to reference your defense of Brony and i
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:17
sorry g2g for a bit
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:17
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 23:19
sadly I dont think it will matter for much longer
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broder lampa 08/01/2021 23:19
me when looking at leijurvs arguments
Bromger Boomerang
Yes that rephrasing is good.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:22
the key is that the statement stops being true in an anonymous system lol
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you won't know how they voted
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free discussion happens
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with no coercion possible lol
Brother leijurv
i think that if you dm someone asking them why they voted a certain way, the implication is that you'd like them to vote differently. (again, only in our current scenario https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797236853643804692)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:22
Wanting them to vote differently and asking them to vote against their opinion are two different things. Anyone who nominates an initiate obviously wants every vote to be a yes vote. They want every brother to get to know and like the initiate. As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want with the goal of getting the masons to like their initiate. We want to like eachother, no? We want to bring in people we like, no? We want to like the people we bring in, no?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:22
utopia
Bromger Boomerang
Wanting them to vote differently and asking them to vote against their opinion are two different things. Anyone who nominates an initiate obviously wants every vote to be a yes vote. They want every brother to get to know and like the initiate. As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want with the goal of getting the masons to like their initiate. We want to like eachother, no? We want to bring in people we like, no? We want to like the people we bring in, no?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:23
that's right. it becomes different when you single someone out, knowing they voted against what you wanted, such as by dming them or pinging them etc. and there's undertones of it even without that, in any non-anonymous system
Bromger Boomerang
Wanting them to vote differently and asking them to vote against their opinion are two different things. Anyone who nominates an initiate obviously wants every vote to be a yes vote. They want every brother to get to know and like the initiate. As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want with the goal of getting the masons to like their initiate. We want to like eachother, no? We want to bring in people we like, no? We want to like the people we bring in, no?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:24
As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want with the goal of getting the masons to like their initiate.
really? can they, for example, DM someone who voted no and ask them why? i thought:
Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move
and https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797242392490410065
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:25
Except if I don't like an initiate, then someone reaches out and convinces me to like the initiate, they've really done nothing bad. I now have a friend where I didn't before. I now can vote Yes and mean it. Nothing about that situation is threatening.
Brother leijurv
As far as I'm concerned, they can do whatever they want with the goal of getting the masons to like their initiate.
really? can they, for example, DM someone who voted no and ask them why? i thought:
Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move
and https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797242392490410065
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:26
To like their initiate, not vote yes on...
Bromger Boomerang
Except if I don't like an initiate, then someone reaches out and convinces me to like the initiate, they've really done nothing bad. I now have a friend where I didn't before. I now can vote Yes and mean it. Nothing about that situation is threatening.
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 23:26
That is a perfect rose-coloured-glasses way of seeing that interaction which can be helpful in seeing the position of someone who is for transparency. It is however, important to see the darker more nefarious outcomes possible to be able to understand the gamut of potential outcomes.
Bromger Boomerang
Except if I don't like an initiate, then someone reaches out and convinces me to like the initiate, they've really done nothing bad. I now have a friend where I didn't before. I now can vote Yes and mean it. Nothing about that situation is threatening.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:26
i'd love it if this were true. but in a non-anonymous system, it isn't. if someone reaches out to you and convinces you to like the initiate and then vote yes, then that's an implicit threat as you agreed earlier if the system is non-anonymous `Asking for someone to change their vote to something they disagree with would amount to a threat and would be a pretty dick move` (edited)
ßrother LordNo.
That is a perfect rose-coloured-glasses way of seeing that interaction which can be helpful in seeing the position of someone who is for transparency. It is however, important to see the darker more nefarious outcomes possible to be able to understand the gamut of potential outcomes.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:26
that's another way of putting it, yes
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 23:27
and if we can all accept the possibility of both happening, is it acceptable to lose the rose-colour variant to protect those who may be impacted by the more negative potentials?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:28
and i still haven't heard why non-anonymity is needed for this scenario, and i haven't heard why this argument in favor of the initiate couldn't be made in public to everyone
23:28
why do you want/need to single people out in dms
23:28
and why is it necessary to know if they did what you wanted or not?
23:28
what would be lost if you could no longer single people out? i say nothing
23:28
good faith discussion in here can still happen, the channel isn't going anywhere
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:29
Again, I don't know of anyone ever asking a brother to vote in a way contrary to how they feel. More like we've had people trying to get them to feel differently about the innitiate. Often that fails and when it does, it's not the fault of the voter or the advocate. It just is what it is. If brothers are holding grudges for that, that what needs to get checked.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:30
Again, I don't know of anyone ever asking a brother to vote in a way contrary to how they feel.
entropy does it all the time https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797234410687692860 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797234499317792788
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:30
He asks people to vote yes on an initiate they don't want?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:31
Again, I don't know of anyone ever asking a brother to vote in a way contrary to how they feel.
changing someone's mind to a yes is a different concept if you'll know their vote or not. if you don't know their vote, they can listen to your argument and accept or reject it. if you will know, they have to bear that in mind and know that you'll know what they did
Bromger Boomerang
He asks people to vote yes on an initiate they don't want?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:31
no, in his own words, "people (re)act very different when you ask them directly / in dms lol" and "strong tactic"
23:31
when someone votes against the group, he dms them
23:31
and they straighten up
23:31
and switch their vote to what the group thinks
23:32
(also keep in mind that i trust in entropy enough that i agreed to the compromise where this literally still happens, but it's just him lol)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:32
If they have a reason to vote no, and they feel that reason is valid, then Entropy asking them why they voted no shouldn't be a problem.
ßrother LordNo. 08/01/2021 23:33
No True Scotsman fallacy (edited)
Bromger Boomerang
If they have a reason to vote no, and they feel that reason is valid, then Entropy asking them why they voted no shouldn't be a problem.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:34
"the teller should just ignore the threat"
23:34
(we agreed that that was a threat implicitly)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:34
If they vote no and they themselves don't feel that their justification is valid then why did they vote no? They should straighten up and take the process seriously.
Bromger Boomerang
If they vote no and they themselves don't feel that their justification is valid then why did they vote no? They should straighten up and take the process seriously.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:34
And we're back to where we started
23:35
Devious false equivalence between "don't want to get publicly shamed" and "don't feel their justification is valid"
23:35
Nice one
23:35
Makes it sound as if they themselves don't believe in their vote and are just being bad faith (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 23:39
@Brother leijurv It feels like you think us brothers should not be able to talk openly to each other and discuss topics and potential members of the group. You make it sound like we are trying to talk to the random general public who you dont know and influence their vote when in fact we are like parliament we all know each other and talk to each other, we disagree on some things and can have civil conversations about them, parliament in the uk everyone knows what MP voted and then they can talk to members that voted down their law etc. and find out what said MP wanted changed so the vote could pass the next time. This is how it should be in here when we all know each other and are friends, if another mason was pressuring someone to change their vote in my opinion it would be classed as harming another brother and should be delt with, but that dose not mean we should all stop being friends and stop talking about our opinions.
broder lampa 08/01/2021 23:39
Brother Todarac 08/01/2021 23:40
jordan writes an essay and is just overruled by lamp posting a bird pic
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:40
you call that an essay?
23:40
pffft
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 23:40
Brother leijurv
Makes it sound as if they themselves don't believe in their vote and are just being bad faith (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:41
That's exactly what I meant. The only time people should be asked or expected to change their vote is when they themselves don't believe in their justification, when they are voting in bad faith. Again, I don't think that's really something that happens much here. People who vote no usually have some reason for doing it that they feel is valid. Shaming someone for not agreeing with their reasons, or telling them to change their vote despite their opinions, isn't cool and shouldn't be allowed. Making everyhing anonymous would prevent that, sure, but it would also prevent people from making good-faith cases to each other and advocating personally for the initiate to the people who have the ability to decide the outcome..
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:43
On my phone for a bit, can't write an essay for the next little while :)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:43
Reposting Jordan's "essay" because it is exactly what I'm trying to say. @Brother Leijurv It feels like you think us brothers should not be able to talk openly to each other and discuss topics and potential members of the group. You make it sound like we are trying to talk to the random general public who you dont know and influence their vote when in fact we are like parliament we all know each other and talk to each other, we disagree on some things and can have civil conversations about them, parliament in the uk everyone knows what MP voted and then they can talk to members that voted down their law etc. and find out what said MP wanted changed so the vote could pass the next time. This is how it should be in here when we all know each other and are friends, if another mason was pressuring someone to change their vote in my opinion it would be classed as harming another brother and should be delt with, but that dose not mean we should all stop being friends and stop talking about our opinions.
Brother Oppenheimer
@Brother leijurv It feels like you think us brothers should not be able to talk openly to each other and discuss topics and potential members of the group. You make it sound like we are trying to talk to the random general public who you dont know and influence their vote when in fact we are like parliament we all know each other and talk to each other, we disagree on some things and can have civil conversations about them, parliament in the uk everyone knows what MP voted and then they can talk to members that voted down their law etc. and find out what said MP wanted changed so the vote could pass the next time. This is how it should be in here when we all know each other and are friends, if another mason was pressuring someone to change their vote in my opinion it would be classed as harming another brother and should be delt with, but that dose not mean we should all stop being friends and stop talking about our opinions.
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:46
it feels like you think
Can you judge me by my words and not by what you feel like I think? I've said a million times that open discussion is good, such as in this channel. How is singling someone out and dming them open discussion? Dms aren't open.
parliament
We aren't representatives. That analogy might work better to worshipfuls?
if another Mason was pressuring
I believe singling someone out, such as dming them and asking why they voted no, counts as pressuring, if it's in the context of a non anonymous vote.
friends and talking about opinions
That should absolutely happen. Why do we need to be able to single out the dissenters and dm them in order to do this?
23:47
be back in a little while have fun
Brother Entropy 08/01/2021 23:48
you could just agree to disagree
Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:50
that's all fine and fair with me until i realized this could become a permanent system in here (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 08/01/2021 23:53
>'Can you judge me by my words and not by what you feel like I think?' Those feeling come from reading what you wrote. You don't want us to know who votes no because you don't think those no votes should be discussed. Openly or otherwise. >'We aren't representatives. That analogy might work better to worshipfuls?' Technically true, but each of us does represent the group. Each of our votes impacts everyone else. With such a small pool of voters, the individual impact of each vote does make them more like representative votes than true democratic votes. >'I believe singling someone out, such as dming them and asking why they voted no, counts as pressuring, if it's in the context of a non anonymous vote.' Singling out is a strong way to say personally talking to your FRIEND. >'Why do we need to be able to single out the dissenters and dm them in order to do this?' Because personal communication is far more efficient and impactful than public communitacion. (edited)
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Brother leijurv
it feels like you think
Can you judge me by my words and not by what you feel like I think? I've said a million times that open discussion is good, such as in this channel. How is singling someone out and dming them open discussion? Dms aren't open.
parliament
We aren't representatives. That analogy might work better to worshipfuls?
if another Mason was pressuring
I believe singling someone out, such as dming them and asking why they voted no, counts as pressuring, if it's in the context of a non anonymous vote.
friends and talking about opinions
That should absolutely happen. Why do we need to be able to single out the dissenters and dm them in order to do this?
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 23:53
It just seems like you are coming up with "solutions" to "problems" that dont exist. If anyone else could say of an occasion that this has occurred and how they felt pressured into changing there vote might be helpful? Just feels like you are trying to create conflict by changing our ways to fix something that is not broken?
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Brother Pint 08/01/2021 23:53
^
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 23:56
" Because personal communication is far more efficient and impactful than public communitacion"
and more personal because we are FRIENDS
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:57
occasion this has occured
As I sent earlier: https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591647666421891103 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591846302602493956
Brother Oppenheimer
It just seems like you are coming up with "solutions" to "problems" that dont exist. If anyone else could say of an occasion that this has occurred and how they felt pressured into changing there vote might be helpful? Just feels like you are trying to create conflict by changing our ways to fix something that is not broken?
Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:58
I'm not trying to create conflict, the vote to try this passed, and I've just been responding to continued disagreement with the idea
Brother leijurv
occasion this has occured
As I sent earlier: https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591647666421891103 https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591846302602493956
Brother Oppenheimer 08/01/2021 23:59
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591647666421891103 THIS IS WHAT ABSTAIN IS FOR!
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Brother leijurv 08/01/2021 23:59
personal communication is more impactful
If you dig deep into exactly what this means and why it's the case, you'll see why I don't support it (in this very narrow and specific circumstance)
00:00
Every reason why it's more "impactful" singling someone out and dming them, to get them to perhaps change their mind in a non anonymous vote, is a bad reason (/ manipulative / coercive / whatever word you want to use) (edited)
Brother leijurv
I'm not trying to create conflict, the vote to try this passed, and I've just been responding to continued disagreement with the idea
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:00
Yes the vote passed, im not disputing that, I am trying to explain why I voted no. and hopfuly change your mind.
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:01
lol Jordan'\
00:01
YESS
Brother Oppenheimer
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/591647666421891103 THIS IS WHAT ABSTAIN IS FOR!
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:01
Abstain, or just not voting at all, would have equally sufficed
Brother leijurv
Abstain, or just not voting at all, would have equally sufficed
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:02
yes, but with abstain you know they are still active and have not ignored the vote
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:02
I guess I've never considered reaching out to a friend to talk about something you disagree on to be manipulative or coercive. I just consider it... friendship
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Brother Oppenheimer
yes, but with abstain you know they are still active and have not ignored the vote
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:03
Or, you could be a big boy and say so in here, why do you need a button to click? Isn't this about interpersonal communication
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:03
A lot of the 'explaining why I voted' a certain way or 'expressing my opinion' has manifested as direct responses to quote by Leijurv. Imo this is less about expressions your position or feeling, and more about arguing specific points.
Bromger Boomerang
I guess I've never considered reaching out to a friend to talk about something you disagree on to be manipulative or coercive. I just consider it... friendship
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:04
maybe try again? I said "in this specific and narrow circumstance..." relating to a vote
Bromger Boomerang
I guess I've never considered reaching out to a friend to talk about something you disagree on to be manipulative or coercive. I just consider it... friendship
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:04
I don't disagree with this message, but it isn't arguing against anything I believe so...
Bromger Boomerang
I guess I've never considered reaching out to a friend to talk about something you disagree on to be manipulative or coercive. I just consider it... friendship
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 00:04
HOLY SHIT THIS.
Brother leijurv
Or, you could be a big boy and say so in here, why do you need a button to click? Isn't this about interpersonal communication
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:04
Leijurv, I thought you where in support of non binary people? Why do you want me to be binary? Why do you want me to be forced to live as one or the other?
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:04
This specific situation where you and your friend disagree on something, you know you disagree, and you want to discuss it and see if you can agree... That's manipulative?
Brother Oppenheimer
Leijurv, I thought you where in support of non binary people? Why do you want me to be binary? Why do you want me to be forced to live as one or the other?
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:05
Because sadly we set this up as a numeric democracy where we count "yes" and "no"
00:05
Nonbinary people can explain their pronouns in here
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:05
ooooooooffffff
Brother leijurv
Because sadly we set this up as a numeric democracy where we count "yes" and "no"
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:05
why cant there be an other?
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:06
there is a lot of miscommunication here
Bromger Boomerang
This specific situation where you and your friend disagree on something, you know you disagree, and you want to discuss it and see if you can agree... That's manipulative?
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:06
If it's part of an important vote, and everyone will know who voted what, and tensions are high because it's accepting a new person into the group, and you go and dm someone why they voted a certain way, then yes it's coercive to do that respective to the vote
Brother Oppenheimer
why cant there be an other?
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:07
Because our group's decision making doesn't count an other
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:07
Ok... This is out there, but what if it wasn't binary? What if instead of voting yes or no, we just give a 1-10 ranking and the average has to be over a certain threshold? just a thought (edited)
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:07
Based
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Brother leijurv
Because our group's decision making doesn't count an other
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:07
Yes it dose, it wont if you take it away #longlive
broder lampa 09/01/2021 00:08
does it?
Bromger Boomerang
Ok... This is out there, but what if it wasn't binary? What if instead of voting yes or no, we just give a 1-10 ranking and the average has to be over a certain threshold? just a thought (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:08
That sounds intriguing tell me more.... (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:09
I can see where Leijurv is coming from. He has felt that some people have been pressured in the past and wishes to stop that in the future. He feels as though an anonymous vote would help that. I agree that it could potentially help that and dont want people to feel pressured. I can see where Boomerang is coming from. As a group of friends we should all feel safe enough to engage in open communications. We should all feel secure enough to reach out to each other and talk about votes. This outreach should not have to be seen as coercion or other negative intentions. You believe that a public vote affords the opportunity for more open communication among friends. I think I can see where Jordan is coming from. He seems to be concerned that more agitation of the current system is unnecessary and causes arguments like these. Why fix it if it aint broke? I totally get this too and worry that openning cans of worms like these can totally cause big infighting.
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00:10
these are all equally valid feelings and opinions, and no amount of disputing individual facts will change that.
Brother Oppenheimer
That sounds intriguing tell me more.... (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:11
abstain would be the same as just voting the threshold average. It wouldn't weigh the vote positively or nevatively, but it would push the average slightly towards the middle.
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:11
but disputing individual facts may lead to decision exhaustion and emotional overwhelm. In my experience the result of this ends up being frustration and ad hominem attacks. I would hate for this to go sour because of unnecessary details
Bromger Boomerang
abstain would be the same as just voting the threshold average. It wouldn't weigh the vote positively or nevatively, but it would push the average slightly towards the middle.
Brother Oppenheimer 09/01/2021 00:11
it sounds good
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:16
I wonder how long it took to develop systems like the American electoral system etc.
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:16
It's still being developed.
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:16
so much thought, effort, consideration, etc, must go into developing systems like these
00:16
haha fair enough
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 00:16
we had an update recently that introduced a lot of bugs
00:17
still workin gon it
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:17
I really hope the way this election ran doesnt become the standard. We can do so much better.
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:17
systems so intricate that the use of them calls into question whether they are perfect yet or not.
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 00:17
um... in here or in the US (edited)
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:17
US
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 00:17
ahh
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 00:18
I do worry about the precedence that has been created this election
00:18
oh shit #general-20210704
00:18
let;s continue this there
ßrother LordNo.
I can see where Leijurv is coming from. He has felt that some people have been pressured in the past and wishes to stop that in the future. He feels as though an anonymous vote would help that. I agree that it could potentially help that and dont want people to feel pressured. I can see where Boomerang is coming from. As a group of friends we should all feel safe enough to engage in open communications. We should all feel secure enough to reach out to each other and talk about votes. This outreach should not have to be seen as coercion or other negative intentions. You believe that a public vote affords the opportunity for more open communication among friends. I think I can see where Jordan is coming from. He seems to be concerned that more agitation of the current system is unnecessary and causes arguments like these. Why fix it if it aint broke? I totally get this too and worry that openning cans of worms like these can totally cause big infighting.
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 00:19
Im not sure what you mean by "engage open communications", do you count dms as open?
00:20
I'd say dms are "behind closed doors" and all else being equal I'd very much prefer open communications over that
Brother Wailn 09/01/2021 00:25
Holy shit that’s a lot of messages
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 00:29
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797255745493401631
00:31
For those of you coming to this thread, don't bother reading it. We argued about the voting system for a long ass time. We still don't agree on things but all arguments were summed up by @ßrother LordNo. quite well in this message. We will begin trying anonymous voting next week and we'll learn and adapt as we sort out the bugs. Cheers
Brother Entropy 09/01/2021 00:32
imagine clicking to the beginning of this, reading everything and then getting to booms message
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Brother Wailn 09/01/2021 00:33
Yeah I didn’t read it when I saw it was 400+ msgs
00:33
Thanks for summary
Brother Entropy
imagine clicking to the beginning of this, reading everything and then getting to booms message
brother terbin 09/01/2021 00:40
ahahahahahahahahah
Brother Fruit 09/01/2021 00:45
I just did that
00:45
Wtf i love Boom now
00:45
What a based and level headed message (edited)
ßrother LordNo.
I can see where Leijurv is coming from. He has felt that some people have been pressured in the past and wishes to stop that in the future. He feels as though an anonymous vote would help that. I agree that it could potentially help that and dont want people to feel pressured. I can see where Boomerang is coming from. As a group of friends we should all feel safe enough to engage in open communications. We should all feel secure enough to reach out to each other and talk about votes. This outreach should not have to be seen as coercion or other negative intentions. You believe that a public vote affords the opportunity for more open communication among friends. I think I can see where Jordan is coming from. He seems to be concerned that more agitation of the current system is unnecessary and causes arguments like these. Why fix it if it aint broke? I totally get this too and worry that openning cans of worms like these can totally cause big infighting.
Brother F3 09/01/2021 01:00
we could also make an optional anonymity which fixes both
01:01
I read boomerangs message first
Brother Entropy 09/01/2021 01:44
iron really didnt understand a word from the other talk with leijurv the other day was discussed here god dont start it again https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/566749523666534402/795404949001338881 (edited)
Brother F3 09/01/2021 01:45
no I did
01:46
but as you can see both extremes dont work. so that optional thing is the best compromise
01:46
even tho it still has advantages when you try to exploit it
Brother Casparov 09/01/2021 03:06
Thanks @ßrother LordNo. for that epic summation
03:06
saved me a bit of scrolling
03:09
I would like to put this out there: The fact that a few people are unwilling to TRY something considering you have only rough estimates on how it could turn out, is concerning. Just try it. If it doesn't work, and the problems persist, scrap it. It's honestly that easy folks. The technology is in place already.
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1Charlie3 09/01/2021 03:11
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797255123222659112 i like this idea
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 03:11
i was under the impression that this was inpleneted as a permanent thing. i'm all for giving it a try
Brother Casparov 09/01/2021 03:12
Definitely not permanent lmao
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 03:12
and even then, we can still argue debate whether or nit we should keep it and why
Brother Casparov 09/01/2021 03:12
exactly
03:13
but that debate should be left for after we've tried it
Brother Pint
i was under the impression that this was inpleneted as a permanent thing. i'm all for giving it a try
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 03:13
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Brother Pint 09/01/2021 03:13
yes, i see
03:13
and this recation was quite earlier in the evening
03:14
not just now (edited)
Brother Casparov 09/01/2021 03:14
?
03:14
sorry idk what recation means
03:15
reaction*?
1Charlie3
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/797255123222659112 i like this idea
brother terbin 09/01/2021 03:30
agreed that sounds interesting
03:30
and is much easier to answer than a yes no thing
03:30
but
03:30
how to interpret the results
brother terbin
how to interpret the results
1Charlie3 09/01/2021 03:31
do you mean how to like explain to other people why certain number
03:31
it would kind of complicate things as far as discussing the voting goes but I still think after a while people would understand the process and it would develop into a good system
brother terbin 09/01/2021 03:35
nono that's not what I mean
03:35
just thinking of mathematically
1Charlie3 09/01/2021 03:35
oh
03:35
bot
brother terbin 09/01/2021 03:35
ye
03:35
guess that's easy
03:35
just set a threshhold
1Charlie3 09/01/2021 03:35
everything in life is solved by bot
03:35
yeah
brother terbin 09/01/2021 03:35
skynet
1Charlie3
everything in life is solved by bot
1Charlie3 09/01/2021 03:35
until bots take over
brother terbin 09/01/2021 03:35
yea was just thinking that
brother terbin
just thinking of mathematically
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 03:38
i think iron might like figuring it out
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Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 04:33
Are we thinking seriously about scoreboard style voting? I meant it as a joke, but the more I think about it, it could actually work. lol
04:36
It would mean the initiates are sort of playing to win points towards their approval. Each member would award the points that they deem appropriate based on their opinion of the initiate and the average would have to meet a threshold.
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 04:53
this is so based
04:53
if the threshold were 0.8 then it would be Sorta Similar to currently
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:01
I'm not sure, but it sounds like that may not be quite right... But I'm not sure how to figure the correct value...
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:01
80% no?
05:02
idk
05:02
just a thought
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:02
We could run tests along side the next several normal yes/no votes to figure out where passing or non-passing vote usually lands. (edited)
05:04
Like vote yes/no and give the rating. Then eventually, once we figure out what rating works best for acceptance, we'll eliminate the yes/no
05:04
The rating won't officially mean anything until yes/no is gone. (edited)
05:04
And it can be hidden
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:05
my overall thought is that i don't think it's such a good idea to try and "move complexity" away from Normal Discussion in here and towards a more intricate voting system. that is sort of the reason why i'm against things like "if X percent say abstain, delay for Y amount of time" or other complicated possible responses such as a "not yet" emote (lol), or numeric voting, etc etc etc
05:05
"just... say the thing you want to say using words in english in this channel" is my thought
05:05
idk
05:05
you dont need a button for every thought that comes into your head
Bromger Boomerang
Like vote yes/no and give the rating. Then eventually, once we figure out what rating works best for acceptance, we'll eliminate the yes/no
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:06
that sounds fine to me
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:06
No, but more fidelity means individual opinions carry more weight, which is good, I think. (edited)
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:07
@Brother F3 oh you're up
Brother F3 09/01/2021 05:07
yes
05:07
I hate when I cant fall asleep
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:07
indeed
ßrother LordNo. 09/01/2021 05:09
Same
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:11
@Brother leijurv Also, Anonymous points based voting would eliminate the problems caused by yes/no voting, both anonymous and public. Instead of talking to no-voters, there would always be a reason to reach out to any other brothers to advocate for more points for the initiate, but there wouldn't be any pressure to comply because the ratings would all be hidden. So the voters would have the complete freedom to vote as they please. (edited)
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:13
oh, glad you agree on that
05:13
yea
05:13
i could see that being neat
05:13
because there's always room for a little bit more, from everyone
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:13
Exactly
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:13
i still don't think that privately reaching out is a good thing in general though...
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:13
And every little bit increases the average
Brother leijurv 09/01/2021 05:13
whats wrong with open discussion in here
05:13
everyone can benefit from hearing it
05:13
and you get more bang for your buck
05:13
no need to copy paste into a million dms
Bromger Boomerang 09/01/2021 05:17
I mean... nothing is wrong with open discussion. That should obviously continue and be the main area of conversation. I just think brothers can independently introduce members of the group to a their nominee and start a relationship. Stuff like that. (edited)
05:18
Advocating for initiates is a good thing.
Brother Casparov
reaction*?
Brother Pint 09/01/2021 05:31
realization* i was with people when i wrote that and had my attention thoroughly parted.
Brother leijurv
if the threshold were 0.8 then it would be Sorta Similar to currently
1Charlie3 09/01/2021 17:27
one issue i see with this would be people would be very unlikely to give a full 10 or 1.0 imo
Brother Fruit 09/01/2021 21:03
i think 80% would be hard to reach if you had a few 1s (edited)
21:03
Maybe that’s not a bad thing
21:04
If any brother votes 1/10 i’d say they probably shouldn’t be admitted
21:04
that’s a strong disapproval
1Charlie3 09/01/2021 21:22
yeah 1/10 should be you like hate the person and think they should be kicked from disc lol
Brother Entropy 10/01/2021 22:56
ok this is gonna be fun cause he actually wrote a whole essay
22:57
22:58
`Hi, I'm Stu. I'm from Ottawa Ontario Canada, been here all my life. I was your average middle of the road student. Initial ambition to join the RCMP but it never worked out. Love everything from magic the gathering, comic books and video games to working on my car, playing hockey and snowboarding. I love a good drink, from coffee to pretty much anything with alcohol. My favourite style of food is Italian, as is dessert. Pretty easy going guy, I get that life is what you make of it and not everything is perfect. Treat others how you want to be treated. I heard of the server through the usual youtube recommendations of BarrenDome, FitMC and SalC1. I joined the server during the last couple weeks of Nov 2018 or first week of Dec. I don't know for sure because I wasn't very active. I was working for the wonderful UPS corp. and had insane hours. Playtime was very limited. At the beginning of my time on the server, I made my way out of spawn. Kept my head down and just tried to make my way out and catch little scraps where I could went I could. Eventually after settling down in my crummy little base a smidge under 500K out, *Image March 2020* https://i.imgur.com/faRRt8N.jpg I built in a little shattered savanna biome... when elytras were disabled due to an exploit... because why not. I had grand plans, but as a solo who was sitting back and learning about the server, I didn't do much there. So I packed up all my stuff and went back to spawn. I started to become more active in later half of 2019, to the point of even starting to stream 2b2: https://clips.twitch.tv/BashfulOptimisticFiddleheadsGOWSkull`
22:58
`since I received an injury and was off work. I learned early on to keep my yap shut and my eyes open. Learning the server culture and history as I went. Slithering through spawn and taking reverted 32ks where I could find them as a paltry means of defense. I followed nether trails and found my way to my very first introduction with a real 32k. It wasn't pleasant. So I would try again. Back to the trails but with careful steps, well off highway I made my way to discovering my first dupe stash. Untouched stacked illegals and everyone some new player could hope for. I stuffed my inventory and e-chest with as much as I could and went back in to the nether. With the wonderful auto walk of Impact. I ran down the diagonal highway towards my base. Logging out every time someone came in to my render distance. I didn't want to make that mistake again, especially with a full inventory.`
22:59
`I made it back to my crummy little base and hid shulks of main stuff in item frames to avoid detection and the rest in dungeon chests and then back to spawn and the hunt. The renewal of Elytras towards the end of summer made it much more attractive to base hunt and explore. I quietly made my way around, not to disturb, leave no trace. I would venture out, find stashes and then hide them back to my main base. 2020 arrived. I could devote more time playing, not knowing that Covid was around the corner, I decided that I wanted to do more. I became more active in my exploration. More stream. More Building! I wanted to see more of spawn for longer. I would actively stream myself exploring the server and finding several stashes, bases pristine and griefed. I began to interact with the community. During my spawn explorations, I found my very first signed book. I'll never forget it, "Cool cool" by Elaphant. From that day on I was in the signed books and collectables discord. Through that I've traded books and items and coords with many players. I've been to many illegally place bed rock blocks and end portal frames. Seen bases from Rhadamantis to The Archive's remains post hausemaster edit but pre grief. I was lucky to find such tamed mobs as a Cryobyte dog and iTristan horse, no longer in my possession. I enjoyed going the distance. While flying around spawn I ran in to some of the Facepunch members creating a town "Summer Camp" and was invited to join them. I took part and made a little cottage and had fun and was invited to build with them again at their second attempt when "Summer Camp" fell due to a member having some disagreements. https://i.imgur.com/zTlY3qM.png I had fun but I felt that Facepunch wasn't for me.`
22:59
`I began to feel an itch to add some nostalgia to the server, I decided a good start would be to rebuild xcc2's prismarine fortress https://i.imgur.com/otVXl5b.png . In doing so I got to meet xcc2 in game and through that, OverFloyd.Next was a stunning sandstone and grass temple, which later discovered was build by CasparovJR! It was lightly griefed but I began to do my repairs. (only to later find out it had been properly griefed while I was at the gf's family cottage) https://i.imgur.com/GtOgjiU.png . After that was a rebuild of large stone towers with grass and trees on top that I had seen before in my travels, and later brought to my attention was featured in a mines video. I adored the look and it deserved a rebuild. https://i.imgur.com/s0G1J0N.png https://i.imgur.com/rLJgKjm.png`
22:59
`Traveling around I would leave my signs that several others have found in their travels so it's always nice to get a message saying that they're still around. Having seen markers for a previous long passed scavenger hunt, I jumped at the opportunity to take part in the Spawn train project where I met Negative_Entropy. Through that I was invited as a guest in the Spawnmason discord. Mr_Pint then invited me to be part of the 2b2t party committee and build at the 2020 Sp03ky T0wn base, where I got to meet Breithan, BottleCapBrony, and many other Masons. Later on I was invited to see the Halloween Lodge, sadly I missed the spleef but got to meet LordNo, Nord1c and Nekramite. Afterwards I was invited to come and build at a mason base known as ChunkHaven where I met Todarac and I made a tree house. Twice. Thanks to fire. Next project was the 10th Anniversary Christmas which was a blast to build at and meet Terbin, finally. as well as many other Masons. That is where you find me today. I've no doubt left out many occasions of where I would leave kits at spawn or hide stuff in players bases I've visited during my travels and many streams. Without forgetting to mention the little spawn bases "meme" builds if you will where I would write a book and make the build about the contents, for example: A book about an old craigslist add about selling cinderblocks and getting irate. https://i.imgur.com/rx09Cv3.jpg`
22:59
`The reason why I want to join the Spawnmasons can be summed up in a simple example. Imagine 2b2t as a bar. All the other groups are the rowdy, sloppy patrons being loud and acting tough but with nothing to back it up. The Masons is that one quiet guy, just keeping an eye on things but no one would dare mess with. No other group does things like the Spawnmasons. No other group is as close knit and respected. No other group truly lasts and has brought people closer together. All other groups seem to be just screeching at the sky trying to be something special that players aspire to be a part of but it's futile really. All other group's efforts are, and forever shall be eclipsed ;) That's why I want to join the Spawnmasons. I want to make friendships that go beyond blocks. One where you can cheer someone up in VC if they've had a shit day. One where you get a dm checking to see if things are good if you haven't spoken in a while. I want to be a part of something with good people and help beautiful, meaningful things happen on 2b2t. Thank you for the opportunity. SMIB.`
22:59
ok thats it
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broder lampa 10/01/2021 22:59
22:59
wow
Brother Entropy 10/01/2021 23:01
this vote is anonymous so its important people give their view
Brother Rathause 10/01/2021 23:02
he didn't include me in members he's close with Im voting no
broder lampa 10/01/2021 23:07
That was beautiful
23:08
ranch good guy
Brother Entropy 10/01/2021 23:19
id like him to pass
Brother Rathause
he didn't include me in members he's close with Im voting no
brother noname 10/01/2021 23:21
same
23:21
jk raaanch for Mason
Brother Rathause 10/01/2021 23:21
ye fr
1Charlie3 10/01/2021 23:23
hes 35?
2
eepy Joe 10/01/2021 23:26
How2votemason
Brother Pint 10/01/2021 23:33
he mentioned me twice in brothers he's close to lol (edited)
23:35
we've spent a ton of time in vc and watching each other play games and talked a ton about all kinds of stuff. i can say with utmost confidence that this dude is a prime specimen of excellent Brother Potential™️ (edited)
23:36
and is someone we want around
Brother Wailn 11/01/2021 00:02
He’s a great dude, definitely worthy of joining
Brother Fruit 11/01/2021 00:54
holy shit lol
00:54
what an essay
00:55
I like him
00:55
When can i vote
00:55
eepy Joe 11/01/2021 01:03
^^^^
01:03
I NEED to vote for raanch
01:03
Immediately
Brother Entropy 11/01/2021 01:04
so you would vote before hearing everyone out?
eepy Joe 11/01/2021 01:05
My mind is made up :^)
01:05
If other's are not, ofc they should discuss
Brother Entropy
so you would vote before hearing everyone out?
brother noname 11/01/2021 01:05
yes
Brother Entropy 11/01/2021 01:06
and thats exactly why the vote comes a day after lol
Brother Rathause 11/01/2021 01:17
we have 24 hours to find something negative to say about raaanch
Brother Entropy 11/01/2021 01:17
mayo
Brother Rathause 11/01/2021 01:17
idk if it can be done
Brother Entropy 11/01/2021 01:18
if people want to bug him with ridiculous questions in dms pretending that it matters to our discussion; this is the moment lol
Brother Entropy
so you would vote before hearing everyone out?
Brother Fruit 11/01/2021 01:19
casparov and i made it so you can change your vote for a reason :^)
Brother Entropy 11/01/2021 01:19
that hasnt changed
Bromger Boomerang 11/01/2021 01:46
@here I'm scheduling my vote for exactly 21 hours from this moment. Please discuss why Raaanch sucks and shouldn't get my vote.
brother noname 11/01/2021 01:46
ranch is gross buffalo sauce on top
1
entropyanndroid 11/01/2021 01:49
He's been active in chat for a couple of months from what I've seen, seems nice, and gets along well with the rest of us. I think he'd been a good choice.
1Charlie3 11/01/2021 01:49
i think lets ban him
3
brother noname 11/01/2021 01:50
sorry when you see this ranch
1
1Charlie3 11/01/2021 01:50
01:50
fuck you ranch
1
brother noname 11/01/2021 01:50
ranch more like gross
1
entropyanndroid 11/01/2021 01:51
Ranch, more like diabetes.
01:51
I heard that he likes holding hands in public. Total perv.
2
1Charlie3
hes 35?
ßrother LordNo. 11/01/2021 02:07
Way too old to be a mason....amiright? heh heh.....
1
entropyanndroid 11/01/2021 02:08
tbh though with all the left over confectionary chips I've been mixing in my cocoa I'm the most likely to get diabetes.
ßrother LordNo.
Way too old to be a mason....amiright? heh heh.....
Brother Wailn 11/01/2021 02:53
dad joke lol
ßrother LordNo.
Way too old to be a mason....amiright? heh heh.....
Bromger Boomerang 11/01/2021 03:32
Aren't you pretty old yourself? Lol
Bromger Boomerang
Aren't you pretty old yourself? Lol
ßrother LordNo. 11/01/2021 04:00
38 :p
Brother Pint 11/01/2021 06:53
OldMasons
brother terbin 11/01/2021 07:29
hmm are you suggesting we all vote no on ranch?
Brother Oppenheimer 11/01/2021 10:07
Has Ranch done anything special or noteworthy on 2b2t? That is a reason some people often vote no. I cant really see anything in his essay that fits this criteria?
Brother Casparov 11/01/2021 10:18
why is that a criteria? I thought we just want cool people
10:18
Just letting you know, I had not done anything special or noteworthy on 2b when I joined.
Brother Casparov
why is that a criteria? I thought we just want cool people
Brother Oppenheimer 11/01/2021 10:21
Its just a reason some people always give for voting no on people
Brother Entropy 11/01/2021 10:35
I dont think theres anything huge indeed but I think people only complain about this when they dont 100% like the person or think they havent played nearly long enough
Брат Bird 11/01/2021 16:38
His name is Ranch
16:38
Other than that hes a cool guy
BottleCapBrony 11/01/2021 16:56
I vote yes for Ranch
brother noname 11/01/2021 17:17
do you vote yes for Raaanch tho (edited)
brother terbin 11/01/2021 17:23
definitely feel like Raanch would fit in
Brother Casparov
why is that a criteria? I thought we just want cool people
Brother leijurv 11/01/2021 18:03
oh boy
18:03
ßrother LordNo. 11/01/2021 18:04
Under that context, having done something exceptional is the criteria for adding or removing a guest, not for adding a active guest as a brother.
1
Brother Todarac 11/01/2021 18:19
I believe I am preaching to the choir here
18:19
but let me share my views towards raaaanch: (edited)
18:19
brother noname 11/01/2021 18:38
can you buy me new speakers
1
eepy Joe 11/01/2021 20:51
Been talking with Dectonic a lot lately, warmed up to him quite a lot. I take back what I said about not wanting him as a guest :3
ßrother LordNo. 11/01/2021 20:51
No take-backs. Mason Rule #7
1
brother noname 11/01/2021 20:52
owned
20:52
dec has always been chill
Brother Floyd 11/01/2021 21:59
I still would like to wait let's not rush it
Brother Oppenheimer
Has Ranch done anything special or noteworthy on 2b2t? That is a reason some people often vote no. I cant really see anything in his essay that fits this criteria?
Brother Pint 11/01/2021 22:09
yes: he has done something incredible that no one else has done on 2b... and that is just simply being Raaanch
1
Brother Rathause 11/01/2021 22:27
He’s the only base hunter/collector type that I don’t find to be an annoying cloutchaser
brother noname 11/01/2021 22:27
^
Brother Rathause 11/01/2021 22:27
I think that’s pretty incredible
brother noname 11/01/2021 22:27
he's exceptional to me
Brother leijurv
oh boy
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 02:20
requirements are quite loose
well I hadn't done shit when I joined lmao
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 02:24
also everything was different casp
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 02:24
true
Brother leijurv 12/01/2021 02:26
checks your degrees
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3 12/01/2021 02:32
hmm
Brother Toilet (breithan) 12/01/2021 02:32
I can see other peoples votes
02:32
At least one
02:32
Anyways
Brother leijurv 12/01/2021 02:34
god this is so big brain
Brother Toilet (breithan) 12/01/2021 02:34
I could see votes before i voted then once i voted they all didappeared
eepy Joe 12/01/2021 02:34
this bot makes me so happy
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 02:34
lmao
02:35
it's alive
[HR/PR/G] Rebane v3
hmm
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 02:37
how did u get a blue circle lmao
02:37
oh right entropy didn't do what I asked
ßrother LordNo. 12/01/2021 03:12
the bot is fun
03:12
reminds me of voco
1
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 03:13
ehh
brother noname 12/01/2021 03:52
ßrother LordNo. 12/01/2021 03:52
iphone gang stronk
Brother Pint 12/01/2021 03:53
you last one better have been (edited)
brother noname 12/01/2021 03:53
no comment
Brother Pint 12/01/2021 03:54
~>:(
ßrother LordNo. 12/01/2021 03:54
you got a steaming dent in your head there
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:38
under the number system, how does one abstain? question for anyone but mostly @Brother Oppenheimer
ßrother LordNo. 12/01/2021 05:40
are...you guys married?
05:40
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:41
you're just jealous :winkyeyefaceemojinumber42069:
ßrother LordNo. 12/01/2021 05:41
lol
05:42
you forgot to add the words cat and flushed to that emoji
05:42
I don't think any mason emojis don't have cat in them
Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 05:42
@Brother Scribble Once we know what average score is needed to pass, voting that score is parallel to abstaining. It won't shift the average either way, but it'll bring it closer to the center. (edited)
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:42
:catflushedforabettertomorrowemoji:
05:45
i like it, under the new system, abstaining is a high tier undertaking requiring one to analyze a real time data flow. very well done masons. very well done. @Brother Oppenheimer check.
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Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 05:47
Regardless, with anonymous voting, ranked or binary, abstain isn't really useful as there's no one to communicate to that you've considered the vote. (edited)
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:48
yeah so just dont vote then is abstain if we are being serious
Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 05:49
exactly. But the ranked system gives a higher level of fidelity to voting so people are less likely to feel pushed to make a tough decision and abstain.
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:52
abstaining never seem like a tough or last resort type of thing for me. i was under the impression it was just a way of saying yeah i agree with this or i trust what other people are saying.
05:53
not like, oh shit oh fuck better abstain
05:53
still interested in your answer jordan man
05:55
is the 1-10 like, a percentage of how mason we think someone is?
05:55
1 = 10% mason so that would be a no. but what does a 100% mason initiate look like?
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 05:55
it is whatever we want it to be
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:55
what is a ten for you entrop man
05:56
use current brothers for a guide please lol
05:56
so like, im not around really atm, my mason percentage would be lower than it should be (edited)
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 05:57
i dont think id give a 10 too quickly like ever when i rate stuff i keep the highest rating for the one person better than you put your ideal
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:57
would you bring in the inactive algorithm? time served as guest, lodges helped constructed, bad memes created
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 05:57
eh people can just make up their mind themselves lol
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:58
so 1 be the high end and 10 low?
05:58
if we are just making shit up lol
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 05:58
not like that lo
05:58
the 1-10 thing was literally just a running thought it means nothing yet
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 05:59
i feel like we need a graph, litigious on one axis and legitimate on another
05:59
if it reaches a certain point it gets an auto veto and is thrown out
06:05
entrop can you add "Ranch is a person, not a number - a 2021 speech about thoughts and feelings by scribble "two x" foxx" to next weeks agenda please
06:06
thank you for your service
Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 06:11
lol. Scribble is really having fun with this ranked voting experiment.
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 06:11
Hahahaha
Brother Scribble 12/01/2021 06:11
i promise to stay respectful while doing so
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 06:11
You're welcome scribble
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Brother Wailn 12/01/2021 06:31
the ranking voting experiments seems a little too complicated to me, though I applaud the creativity of the idea. I like the current blind votes we tried today, though the real test of it will come when we have a more polarising initiate. I think we should keep the new system in place until that happens and then reassess
Brother Fruit 12/01/2021 08:17
agreed, i find ranked voting a little too tryhard lol :P
08:17
it is an interesting idea
08:17
might like a smaller scale tho
08:18
1-5 or something
Gebrüder Zippie 12/01/2021 09:24
i think 1-4 cus otherwise u have the same problem where ppl will just vote the middle one
Brother Todarac 12/01/2021 09:26
https://i.imgur.com/JLfF0mr.png
09:26
1-5 voting explained ^
Brother Wailn 12/01/2021 09:47
genius
Brother Scribble
i like it, under the new system, abstaining is a high tier undertaking requiring one to analyze a real time data flow. very well done masons. very well done. @Brother Oppenheimer check.
Brother Oppenheimer 12/01/2021 10:11
Yeah man I like the idea, we discussed it in here the other day
Brother Todarac
https://i.imgur.com/JLfF0mr.png
Brother Casparov 12/01/2021 10:30
AUSSIE APPROVED
10:31
remove eeeeehhhhhh
10:31
and its pure gold
Brother Casparov
remove eeeeehhhhhh
ßrother LordNo. 12/01/2021 17:13
replace it with brrrrraaapppp
Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 22:40
Just curious: What do people think about Rain? I don't know her well, but she's nice to have in chat and Mango is an absolute treasure.
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 22:45
happy to have as guest but prob very little time on 2b
Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 22:47
Fair enough. Didn't think about that. I've seen her on const, but I don't know that she's very active there either.
eepy Joe 12/01/2021 22:49
I base with her, honestly pretty based dude
22:49
Good builder
Bromger Boomerang 12/01/2021 22:52
Does she play 2b often? Tell us more!
eepy Joe 12/01/2021 23:11
In my experience she's usually on at least a couple hours each day
Brother Entropy 12/01/2021 23:27
I meant years played lol
Bromger Boomerang
Does she play 2b often? Tell us more!
eepy Joe 12/01/2021 23:42
I was answering this question entwopeepee!!!!
23:42
Idk how many years
Brother Pint 12/01/2021 23:55
she joined 2b in (early?) 2019
23:55
i think
1Charlie3 12/01/2021 23:55
i think she said 2018 iirc
23:55
theres prob a few 2018 bruddas
23:55
@brother terbin !
Brother Fruit 12/01/2021 23:55
terbin
23:55
yep
1Charlie3 12/01/2021 23:55
wtf
23:56
lol
Brother Pint 12/01/2021 23:58
tbqh, i think she's Mason material, but she's pretty young (15)
23:58
really chill tho. Raaa ch, her, i vc a ton (edited)
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/01/2021 00:14
Hari joined 2019.
ßrother LordNo. 13/01/2021 00:17
I joined in 2019
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 01:02
fucking newrags
ßrother LordNo. 13/01/2021 01:03
still got that newrag smell
Bromger Boomerang 13/01/2021 01:19
The newness of your rag has little to do with your start date. Just sayin.
01:20
I know newrags that joined before me and oldrags that joined after me.
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 01:22
Well in some respects i think that’s true
01:22
But there are also big shifts in the culture (edited)
01:23
like pre and post june
01:23
i dunno who cares
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:26
So
01:27
I have no idea what happened to the bot.
brother noname 13/01/2021 01:27
poZzedd
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:27
I'm gonna quickly log in and see if there's any error message.
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:35
OK
01:35
so uh
01:38
someone voted, and then the bot refused to send a pm
Brother leijurv 13/01/2021 01:38
some ppl have dms off
brother noname 13/01/2021 01:38
lmfao owned
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 01:42
lmaoooo
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:42
yep
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 01:42
lord have mercy
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:42
who ever has DMs turned off for non-friends own up now (edited)
01:44
ill quickly fix the bot, then we'll probably run the vote for another 12 hours as that is what we have missed.
01:44
votes have been tallied in the broken version, so you don't need to worry about voting again if you voted on that one
01:50
@here if you have dms turned off for non-friends, then you'll have to trust that your vote has counted when you vote. either turn on your dms OR accept messages from the bot before you vote
01:51
the "number of votes" counter should increase when you vote, so you can use that as an indicator that you voted
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 01:52
simple and easy fix
1
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:53
My fault for not catching the exception, I didn't think about it
01:53
but yeah, plz do that ^
01:56
If you would like to change your vote, vote on the new 12 hour voting section
01:56
when it appears
brother noname 13/01/2021 01:57
you should set it for 24 hrs tbh
01:57
most people voted
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:57
you think we should restart?
brother noname 13/01/2021 01:57
but I don't want anyone to miss it
01:57
not restart
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:57
yeah sure. Thats okay
01:58
well 24h is basically a restart
brother noname 13/01/2021 01:58
can you keep the votes but still let it go on for 24 hrs
01:58
just in case people are asleep
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 01:58
sure
01:58
@Brother Entropy do a second vote
01:59
im now passing the exception if someone still has their dms turned off
01:59
so the error wont happen again
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:09
i think it was only giganox
02:09
and it wouldnt change the vote
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:10
I mean, ufo wants people to be able to keep voting
02:10
in case anyone did miss out
02:10
talk it out I guess, the vote might already be pretty finalized
Brother Toilet (breithan) 13/01/2021 02:13
I could see peoples votes earlier
02:13
I know that wailn voted and i know what way he voted
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:13
yeah that was just discord
02:14
I can't do anything about that. The api doesn't like super spam
02:14
besides, wailn could have easily changed his vote since then so
02:14
you don't truly know
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:16
ill add giganoxes thing to the total, and anyone elses if they had it too, and would rather not do a complete revote lol
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:17
right okay
02:18
go about it how you want, im just saying some people could have possibly missed out. You don't have to do complete revote, you could like, set it up for another 12 hours or smth
02:18
and then take the votes from both
02:19
then again, 22 votes are usually around the maximum we get
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:20
if i gotta start merging results then i could just as well take complaints from dm
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:20
sure
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:20
and if there were a lot of people then i wouldve gotten more complaints :p
1
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:20
maybe just end the vote now, take complaints and then finalise
02:23
at least its only 1 person lol (edited)
02:23
but still, would have been good if giganox voted earlier while I was awake xD
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:24
>post it at 3 am
02:24
giga only gets to discord at 5 pm
02:24
im not surprised lol
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:24
well then
02:24
its okay, we'll do better next vote
02:26
@Brother Entropy when you finalise the votes, you can remove the bot's messages, unless you don't want to
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 02:29
there should be some record
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:29
oki doki
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 02:29
it will make it easy to find past votes if you do like from:votemasons
02:29
in the search bar
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:29
yeeah
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:29
if it finishes normally it gives the tally so
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:29
it wont
02:29
bot fully broke
02:30
it wont finish
02:30
you'll have to do it manually
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 02:30
i mean when nothing goes wrong lol
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:30
ah yeah
02:30
this is true
02:30
if you want to make a tally manually you can
02:30
honestly whatever you think is best
02:32
but yeah, I restarted the bot with more error catching so, shouldn't happen again if someone still has dms off
Brother Casparov 13/01/2021 02:42
wowowow raaanch eeezzzz approval
Brother Todarac 13/01/2021 05:31
I voted 9/10 because no one is perfect :^)
brother terbin 13/01/2021 05:36
same
05:36
i think
ßrother LordNo. 13/01/2021 05:48
I voted 10/10 Because life is too short for moderation
1
eepy Joe 13/01/2021 06:12
i voted 10/10 because raanch is p*ggers
Brother Pint 13/01/2021 06:37
i voted 10/10 bc Raaanch is Raaanch
Gebrüder Zippie 13/01/2021 08:31
do we get to know who voted no?
Bromger Boomerang 13/01/2021 08:32
I don't think so
08:32
Anonymous (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 13/01/2021 08:33
ah i thought that we were gonna say who voted what after the vote
1Charlie3 13/01/2021 13:25
1-10 voting v based
Brother Oppenheimer 13/01/2021 17:23
Without seeing who voted what, how can we know the vote counted everyone correctly? I think the vote should be revealed so people can see the bot worked correctly? (even if only for this first vote)
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 17:34
i can confirm your score if you ask me we also did extensive testing before lol
17:34
it doesnt really ever fuck up what people voted
17:35
if it fucks up its just that it stops working
Brother Oppenheimer
Without seeing who voted what, how can we know the vote counted everyone correctly? I think the vote should be revealed so people can see the bot worked correctly? (even if only for this first vote)
Brother leijurv 13/01/2021 17:50
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 18:01
If you got a dm it was counted
1Charlie3 13/01/2021 18:25
I didn’t :(
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 18:35
the vote said that if you didnt get a dm back that it didnt work and you had to tell us or try again (edited)
18:37
charlie not listed in the results
brother noname 13/01/2021 18:39
owned
1Charlie3 13/01/2021 18:41
bad bot
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 18:42
no
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 19:30
How do I vote (edited)
brother noname 13/01/2021 19:30
its over
19:30
lmfao
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 19:30
But like how In general (edited)
brother noname 13/01/2021 19:30
just press the emote
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 19:30
But where it wasn’t in the normal channel
brother noname 13/01/2021 19:31
it was
19:31
#applicant-council
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 19:31
It says via bot but I never saw the vote for them
brother noname 13/01/2021 19:31
cause its over
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 19:32
Well I didn’t see it when it was supposedly going on as well
19:32
Rough
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 19:32
there was a ping
19:32
dunno what to tell ya
brother noname 13/01/2021 19:32
yea
19:32
i tried to get it to go on for longer but entropy wouldnt let me
19:33
since it broke
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 19:33
it should have been longer yeah
19:33
entropy tyrant
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Брат Bird 13/01/2021 19:34
This is the future of automation
19:34
We’re living in 1984
Брат Bird
This is the future of automation
Brother leijurv 13/01/2021 19:57
Sato moment
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 20:00
lmao
Brother leijurv
Sato moment
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 21:00
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 21:05
X
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:14
I missed it too bird, didnt realize it was in another channel. i would have voted yes anyway, but i guess i missed those pings too. Just for next time where do i look?
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 21:14
it was in the normal channel
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:15
oh. but not like the other votes? something about a bot yeah?
21:15
i remember the talk about preferred voting, i think i missed the bot meeting
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 21:16
it looked like this
broder lampa 13/01/2021 21:16
There was a ping too
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:16
lol. i thought the red green thing was a coder joke
21:16
my bad
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 21:16
omg
broder lampa
There was a ping too
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:17
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/799023535523758130
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 21:18
next time maybe it wont break lo
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:18
all good, ill make sure i know whats happening next time, i just missed something.
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 21:19
Idk how I missed it I've been streaming movies in this discord for like a week (edited)
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:19
does this make us Automasons
brother noname 13/01/2021 21:19
guys i really tried to get another 24 hours
21:19
blame tyrant entropy
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 21:19
That guy sucks
brother noname
you should set it for 24 hrs tbh
brother noname 13/01/2021 21:19
boom
Brother Scribble 13/01/2021 21:20
i think even after another 24 hours i would have said the same thing lets be completely honest uufo my dude
21:20
i just didnt see the bot thing i guess
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 21:24
Bot masons
21:24
Haha a bot can do it brrr
eepy Joe 13/01/2021 21:26
Missed opportunity not calling this Application Nation
Брат Bird 13/01/2021 21:27
I still can't believe you lost the election
brother terbin 13/01/2021 21:42
perhaps change the emojis to "yes" and "no"?
broder lampa 13/01/2021 21:42
But the monke
21:43
brother terbin
perhaps change the emojis to "yes" and "no"?
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 22:12
they need to be unicode
22:12
aka not custom emotes
brother terbin 13/01/2021 22:15
Ah
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 22:16
It might be possible to use custom emotes
22:16
In a few hours I’ll take a look at the api and see if i could implement that
Brother Entropy 13/01/2021 22:18
the colors are fine lol
Brother Todarac 13/01/2021 22:57
solution: approach the Unicode Consortium and convince them to add and to the standard emoji library
Brother Fruit 13/01/2021 22:57
Lmao
Brother Casparov 14/01/2021 05:26
@Brother Fruit the current version is not on github
05:26
so dont do that plz
05:26
ill put the current version up
05:26
when I get back from work
Brother Fruit 14/01/2021 05:28
don’t worry entropy told me not to
05:28
Brother Todarac
solution: approach the Unicode Consortium and convince them to add and to the standard emoji library
Bromger Boomerang 14/01/2021 07:32
They should. With the odd sized boxes and off-center text as well.
Brother Fruit 14/01/2021 07:34
lmao
07:34
completely different font
07:34
one all caps other all lowercase
07:34
so funny
Bromger Boomerang 14/01/2021 07:34
Alternatively, we could use these:
Brother Fruit 14/01/2021 07:34
True but as lamp said
07:34
monke
Bromger Boomerang 14/01/2021 07:35
You know I prefer the numbers anyway, so what do I care what emotes we use for yes and no? (edited)
Brother Fruit 14/01/2021 07:38
I’m still not completely sold on the numbers
07:38
It’s an interesting system
07:38
I guess I’d have to see like, a further along proof of concept
07:38
What the threshold would be etc
Bromger Boomerang 14/01/2021 07:41
Yeah. The reason we're doing the testing is because we're not really sure what the right threshold would be. I think in theory, the average scores given will generally be lower than the average percentages of yes and nos. Raaanch's vote added to that theory. We'll see what happens with the next few votes, but I think the numbered system gives us much more fidelity for determining how enthusiastic we are for a new member.
Brother Fruit 14/01/2021 07:47
I mean, if you take 1-5 as no and 5-10 as yes, then naturally the average would usually be lower than the yes/no split
Bromger Boomerang 14/01/2021 07:52
Exactly, Though it would be more appropriate to consider >[average needed to pass] = yes, <[average needed to pass] = no. Since any vote below the threshold will bring the average down and any vote above will bring it up. That's why we want to see about where the average usually lands on its own, without a threshold set, so we can determine a threshold that seems appropriate and doesn't skew the voters' scale too much. (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 15/01/2021 13:05
What you guys think about Yqe for guest?
brother noname 15/01/2021 13:59
does he vc
Brother Rathause 15/01/2021 14:40
I don’t think he talks much
14:41
Very interesting dude tho
brother noname 15/01/2021 14:47
i like him but idk if he has brother potential
broder lampa 15/01/2021 14:50
he doesn't talk
14:50
swedish youngster
14:51
he's cool tho
14:51
also he's prob not that young but he's younger than me
brother terbin 15/01/2021 14:56
let's ask him if he would be willing to talk
Brother Entropy 15/01/2021 14:59
>trying to clear up guests cause we were at 25
14:59
>people just keep suggesting guests (5 in the last 3 days aaaaaaaaaaaaa (edited)
Brother Oppenheimer 15/01/2021 15:16
Just been chatting to him, he dose not speak in vc that often but is willing to join and see how it goes. I have told him if he is inactive in vc he will be kicked, he is fine with that and said he would try to be active. He is currently helping with a large 2b project that lots of masons are helping with so would be nice to get him in here!
Brother Giganox 15/01/2021 16:47
I'm waiting for some less guests so Neo Paladin can have a free spot.
ßrother LordNo. 15/01/2021 16:54
yqe, villicool, meghan are all in the same boat for me
16:55
My impressions of them is chaotic and unpredictable allegiance to the closest source of clout.
eepy Joe 15/01/2021 16:59
We have raaanch already? Have you talked to this man? He r a d i a t e s clout
brother terbin 15/01/2021 17:21
he does
Brother Rathause 15/01/2021 18:37
I don’t think that describes villi at all but idk about yqe and Meghan idk who Meghan is actually
broder lampa 15/01/2021 18:38
yqe is not clout chasing at all lol
18:38
That's villicool
brother terbin 15/01/2021 18:40
i understand why yqe comes across as clout chasing tho
18:40
he is a smart dude, has an edge to him
18:40
but you can definitely work with him
ßrother LordNo. 15/01/2021 23:05
My experience with all three comes as an active emp member running emp projects
23:05
So tale it all with that in mind
1Charlie3 15/01/2021 23:40
by this he means they griefed emp logo i think
ßrother LordNo. 15/01/2021 23:50
That yes
Brother Rathause 16/01/2021 00:20
For context emperor threatened to get the followers of the crafting table discord terminated and some other emp members mentioned the use of illegal means to do so if the ct messed with them, then villi and Megyn (back before he was a moron) led the project to fill the spawn omegas
Brother Giganox 16/01/2021 07:09
is that one plus point for vill?
Gebrüder Zippie 16/01/2021 18:00
i like villi but from what i head he doesnt have any intrest in becoming a guest here i kinda agree that yqe is a bit of a clout chacer but its not too bad imo from the interactions ive had with him hes fine and i have never talked to Meghan so i have no opinion and i abstain from giving my opinion
Brother Toilet (breithan) 16/01/2021 18:02
I dont think yqe is a clout chaser. Id lean towards a no for villi. If the meghan people are talkig about is the meghan i think then hard no. (edited)
broder lampa 16/01/2021 18:08
ye isn't megyn one of the phobos backdoor guys
eepy Joe 16/01/2021 18:15
If meghan is megyn, HARD NO
broder lampa 16/01/2021 18:18
don't think anyone actually asked for villi or meghan, they were just labeled as "in the same boat" as yqe
Brother Rathause 16/01/2021 18:18
Yeah I wasn’t proposing villi for guest that convo has already happened I was just giving some perspective on a bit of autistic drama that happened a while ago
Brother Toilet (breithan) 16/01/2021 18:18
Oh definitely not in the same boat
broder lampa 16/01/2021 18:18
but I don't think that's the case
18:18
ye
eepy Joe 16/01/2021 18:19
Ah, I misunderstood
Brother Rathause 16/01/2021 18:20
I still wanna know who Meghan is tho
Gebrüder Zippie 16/01/2021 18:25
^^ lol
18:25
villi was asked for and a lot of ppl said no lol
Brother Fruit 16/01/2021 18:38
have many times are we going to talk about villi
18:38
Gebrüder Zippie 16/01/2021 18:38
plus he doesnt want to be in here
Brother Nekramite 16/01/2021 18:57
Finally I can say to guest invites!
ßrother LordNo. 16/01/2021 20:09
I’d be fine with yqe. I don’t know them enough personally, just through their actions. One last question. Was yqe one of the ct guys bullying finstaa at cloud club?
20:10
Removing his build and replacing it with a crafting table?
brother noname 16/01/2021 20:13
no im pretty sure that was villi
Brother Casparov 17/01/2021 01:02
I'd like to vote to make lodges more Australian friendly
1Charlie3 17/01/2021 01:05
lets have a lodge every day at different times
2
Brother Entropy 17/01/2021 01:06
we once checked
01:06
01:07
if we loose the ability of 7 people to attend for 2 to be able to make it its kind of antiproductive
01:07
its like a terrible interlay of 3 timezones where its impossible to find a good moment
Brother Wailn 17/01/2021 01:08
maybe have alternating times, or one lodge an hour later per month or something
1
Brother Entropy 17/01/2021 01:08
if you make the lodge you could demand to push the hour forward or back lol (edited)
01:09
has been requested before
Brother Wailn 17/01/2021 01:09
yeah that's fair
01:09
builder should have some input as to the time
ßrother LordNo. 17/01/2021 02:01
Tbh whining that a lodge is at 4pm versus 2pm and that it takes a few extra seconds to figure that out on lodge day is silly when it means the difference of 6am and 8am for someone else
Brother Wailn 17/01/2021 02:08
yes I agree, but maybe it's more problematic for the europeans - they probably don't want to start the lodge at midnight or 1am
1Charlie3 17/01/2021 02:08
no its euros who would care (edited)
02:08
yeah
02:09
i dont think most NA masons would care
Brother Casparov 17/01/2021 02:10
yeah the euros are the main guys that'd care about that
02:10
its in the evening for them already so
02:10
I think
Brother Entropy 17/01/2021 02:11
right now for most europeans it starts at 23
Brother Casparov 17/01/2021 02:12
11pm? yeah
02:13
https://www.fastcompany.com/1665437/infographic-of-the-day-what-time-is-the-internet-the-most-awake
Infographic Of The Day: What Time Is The Internet The Most Awake?
Bård Edlund shares with us a nifty little experiment in showing the rolling periods of wakefulness around the world. So when’s the best time to tweet something?
02:14
9am EST
02:15
push it to 10 to make it pog and bam
02:15
although that is 1am for me lel
02:17
someone will always get the short end of the stick
02:17
best if its the lesser amount of people in here
Brother Entropy
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Brother F3 17/01/2021 12:29
we could have 8 lodges current time and then 6 1 hour later and then repeating
12:32
we could ease it even more by having it a sinus function that determains the time of lodge start
12:32
and to make it easier for humans we round it to a quarter of an hour
ßrother LordNo. 17/01/2021 15:53
Screw humans. Why does everything have to be made easy for them? Are they supposed to be “the smartest creatures on earth?”
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 20:38
brochacho committing some bad faith speech in here, i now know Coltsnid's actual name
Brother Floyd 17/01/2021 20:40
Wherr
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 20:40
in vc
Brother Floyd 17/01/2021 20:41
What do you expect
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 20:41
not much different to be honest
Brother Fruit 17/01/2021 20:51
Not in favor of brochacho
1Charlie3 17/01/2021 20:51
brochacho is kinda retard tbh
20:51
i always disliked him
Brother Fruit 17/01/2021 20:51
got added to an incredibly cancerous group chat with him, reggie, phi, yqe, nambrose, etc
20:51
Not a good look lol
1Charlie3 17/01/2021 20:52
rofl
Brother Rathause 17/01/2021 20:52
Nambrose
Brother Fruit 17/01/2021 20:52
there are also other brothers in there
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 20:52
music ?
20:52
serber
Brother Fruit 17/01/2021 20:52
what
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 20:53
the music appreciation server?
Gebrüder Zippie 17/01/2021 20:54
I don’t like brochacho
1Charlie3 17/01/2021 20:55
gang
eepy Joe
the music appreciation server?
Brother Fruit 17/01/2021 20:58
it’s a group chat
20:58
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 21:04
ew
Brother Fruit 17/01/2021 21:07
ikr
ßrother LordNo. 17/01/2021 21:38
yuck
21:43
I dm'd him
21:43
didn't give any details or examples. Just told him to try and be a little more mature and then sent the above message (edited)
1
eepy Joe 17/01/2021 23:05
thank you lordno :^) youre a real G !
Brother Raaanch 18/01/2021 00:05
Solid advice!
Brother Toilet (breithan) 19/01/2021 20:22
If he asks "begs" for invite, don't
Brother Entropy 19/01/2021 20:22
he didnt :p
brother terbin 19/01/2021 20:22
coord quest
Brother Entropy 19/01/2021 20:23
can terbin see my dms now too
brother terbin 19/01/2021 20:23
i'm everywhere
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ßrother LordNo. 19/01/2021 20:43
Lol
Brother Nekramite 19/01/2021 21:59
what
Brother Todarac 20/01/2021 01:46
Does anyone here know Nexx
01:46
he wants an invite
brother noname 20/01/2021 01:49
no
01:49
we are stealing there stash
1
Brother Raaanch 20/01/2021 01:49
I’ve never had any interactions with Nexx that come to mind
brother noname
we are stealing there stash
Brother leijurv 20/01/2021 01:50
nexx might be moving it rn or soon
01:50
dectonic said he'd tell nexx to leave you the wood
brother noname 20/01/2021 01:50
i dont WANT THE WOOD i want the stash
Brother leijurv 20/01/2021 01:50
LMAO
Brother Rathause 20/01/2021 01:50
I know nexx kinda
01:51
he used to be voco
01:51
nice guy
01:55
one time when he was still in voco he asked pepsi how you get into the masons and he told him you needed a lot of reddit karma and nexx believed him
2
01:56
Brother leijurv 20/01/2021 01:56
LOL i remember that
01:56
that was nexx? baseddd
brother noname 20/01/2021 01:59
trolled
Brother Raaanch 20/01/2021 02:02
That’s hilarious!!
brother terbin 20/01/2021 07:35
And is a young danish griefer
07:35
But nice to speak to
Brother Rathause 20/01/2021 17:20
Nexx griefs?
17:20
And is danish?
brother terbin 20/01/2021 18:11
my bad I think - checking the DMs
18:12
confused him with some other Guardsmen guy
18:12
Nexalus = Drollovitch?
18:13
so ye if that above is true then ignore what I said
Brother Oppenheimer 20/01/2021 18:25
I ️ Drollovitch
brother terbin
Nexalus = Drollovitch?
brother noname 20/01/2021 18:48
yes, there is nexalus (drolo), nexx and a guy named nexuz or some shit (edited)
18:48
they all play 2b
eepy Joe 20/01/2021 20:02
friendly reminde that drollovitch, drathader, drachenstein, dragonworm
20:02
many similar names!
Gebrüder Zippie 20/01/2021 20:04
what do u guys think of futsin as a guest? (edited)
brother noname 20/01/2021 20:19
he loves entropy so that's a great start
20:19
didn't he help build the train?
20:19
and he's at chunk haven idk if he built anything yet
Gebrüder Zippie 20/01/2021 20:21
good guest material ngl
eepy Joe 20/01/2021 20:33
i like futsin, but i just want to point out
20:33
i think many here only know of him because of his hyper simping for entropy
20:34
nice enough guy for sure, we get along well
eepy Joe
i think many here only know of him because of his hyper simping for entropy
Gebrüder Zippie 20/01/2021 20:37
yes but i was just kidding lol
eepy Joe 20/01/2021 20:39
ok
Brother Todarac 20/01/2021 23:37
hyper simping
23:38
accurate
Brother Floyd 21/01/2021 01:35
What was the problem with Rain?
01:36
Like that she couldn't get initiate because of something
ßrother LordNo. 21/01/2021 01:43
Newness
Brother Floyd 21/01/2021 01:48
Big rip
01:48
She very cool tho
ßrother LordNo. 21/01/2021 03:17
Totally agree
Brother Raaanch 21/01/2021 03:34
She's good company.
eepy Joe 21/01/2021 10:07
^
Brother Giganox 21/01/2021 11:19
very active in VC, but I don't even know if she plays 2b xD (edited)
Brother Giganox
very active in VC, but I don't even know if she plays 2b xD (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 21/01/2021 11:25
she does shes active at a base im at
Brother Floyd 21/01/2021 11:55
Ye she does
Brother Pint 21/01/2021 12:53
she joined in late 2018/early 2019, so i'm calling that "too new" objection hogwash.
12:54
unless "too new" was regarding the Masons
12:56
she defs has massive brother Sister Potential™️ (edited)
12:57
i'd wait a little while on her, tho
brother noname 23/01/2021 22:29
brother noname 23/01/2021 22:37
@SpawnMason
Brother Todarac 23/01/2021 22:37
THUMBNAIL
Brother leijurv 23/01/2021 22:38
1 pixel
brother noname 23/01/2021 22:39
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/796138087264026624
Brother Oppenheimer 23/01/2021 23:16
Brother Entropy 24/01/2021 16:31
who vouched for who of the current yellows again as in whos gonna make sure they attend stuff and be our handler (edited)
Brother Rathause 24/01/2021 16:36
I vouch for dark
16:38
Ufo vouched for all 3 I believe, Joey vouched for dark and chipoff
Brother Toilet (breithan) 24/01/2021 16:49
I vouched for dark
16:50
I think a lot of people vouched for each initiate
eepy Joe 24/01/2021 16:53
^
16:53
I'm happy to be a 'handler' for dark and chipoff. What precisely does that entail?
16:55
Is it just bringing them to things?
Brother Entropy 24/01/2021 16:55
yea nobody really knows
16:55
but if nobody feels like its their task then it doesnt go well
ßrother LordNo. 24/01/2021 17:08
This
17:08
Basically get them to engage and do all the things that will increase their chances of getting the vote when the time comes
brother terbin 24/01/2021 17:08
just ask them once in a while how it's going
17:09
if there are confusions, they will know they can ask you
17:09
I recon
17:09
keep them engaged?
ßrother LordNo. 24/01/2021 17:09
Yeah
17:10
Joining chats, vc, builds
brother noname 24/01/2021 17:22
spawnmason mentors when
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eepy Joe 24/01/2021 18:00
i interact pretty regularly with both
brother terbin 24/01/2021 19:07
awesome
Brother Pint 25/01/2021 01:10
i vouched for Rain first, and then for Chipoff and Dark once someone mentioned them
Brother Toilet (breithan) 25/01/2021 01:11
They will need dna test to find out who their masonic parents are...
Brother Pint 25/01/2021 01:15
don't we let them pick their "parent(s)"?
Brother Toilet (breithan) 25/01/2021 02:43
Yeh
entropyanndroid 25/01/2021 04:17
I second the Rain vouch and also vouch for Thebes if no one has done so already in the current rotation.
Brother Toilet (breithan) 25/01/2021 04:41
I think vouches only count at meetings. But i am a big proponent of only considering very active people for initiate
Brother Entropy 25/01/2021 05:17
he wouldnt even want it lol
Brother Fruit 25/01/2021 05:21
^
ßrother LordNo. 25/01/2021 05:57
another pork
Brother Entropy 25/01/2021 06:30
Rain
06:30
06:34
you have a month to make up your minds lol
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 06:37
>is active on 2b >is young but actually knows how to write / talk >always in vc >mango probably a yes for me. probably.
06:38
I really like that she was treated nicely from everyone in here, especially after seeing the worst communities 2b has to offer
Brother Entropy 25/01/2021 06:43
accomplishments are low incase she built a lot she just didnt talk about any of it guess ill see how this develops
Брат Bird 25/01/2021 06:58
Too long of an application - denied
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 07:02
you heard it here first folks
07:02
move along, next initiate
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 07:03
lol
Brother Entropy 25/01/2021 07:04
nick did you see raanch lol
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Brother Wailn 25/01/2021 07:07
wow she hung out with a lot of retards before
Брат Bird 25/01/2021 07:07
Ranch retroactively removed for long application
07:09
I personally think the cardinal question of Mayonnaise or No Mayonnaise should be on the application but
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Brother Wailn
wow she hung out with a lot of retards before
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 07:10
that is true but i think she knows that they were retarded and couldnt find where to go to find not retarded ppl until she came here
07:10
hence she only stayed with the different groups for a month or two
07:10
and shes been trying to distance herself from those groups as much as possible
Брат Bird 25/01/2021 07:10
She got doxed by Jared too, that's doing enough on the server we've all been there
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 07:11
lol
Brother Wailn 25/01/2021 07:11
she definitely seems cool don't get me wrong. She's also very young and I feel needs more experience on the server. I'm leaning no for now but that may change
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 07:13
being a bit young shouldnt mean much tho since we have other masons in the age group
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 07:13
yeah the most damning you can say about her is what entropy pointed out, she hasnt done that much on the server
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 07:13
just look at hanscor
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 07:14
the young thing doesnt bother me
Brother Todarac
yeah the most damning you can say about her is what entropy pointed out, she hasnt done that much on the server
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 07:14
true but she is quiet active at a base im at
Брат Bird 25/01/2021 07:14
She has bird haha accepted
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 07:14
you heard it here first folks
07:14
move along, next initiate
Brother Wailn 25/01/2021 07:14
yeah I know, hanscor, iron I think is young too, but they are very skilled in what they do, exceptional even lol
Gebrüder Zippie
true but she is quiet active at a base im at
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 07:15
I'd like to see some builds then
Брат Bird 25/01/2021 07:15
As a bird Im viciously bias so I
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 07:25
hard feelings
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ßrother LordNo. 25/01/2021 08:17
I feel like people are being ‘rushed through the system’. What is the harm of people being left guest longer?
08:18
Rain has a good trajectory.
Brother Todarac
I'd like to see some builds then
Brother Pint 25/01/2021 09:56
i'm in her personal base Discord (same as a few others in here). she is a terraforming goddess. idk if the only structural builds at the base are built by her, but if they are, she defs has build potential. not exceptional potential, but remarkable.
Brother Entropy
Click to see attachment 🖼️
Brother Floyd 25/01/2021 14:32
omg this is very aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
14:33
don't have any adjectives appropriate to this stuff
14:33
so I just default to AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 14:36
brother terbin 25/01/2021 14:38
very nice text
Brother Floyd 25/01/2021 14:40
I want her in like fcking now lmao
14:40
how can you say no to birb mango
Brother Rathause 25/01/2021 14:42
I feel like she had a bit of a rocky start on the server but I definitely think she has a lot of potential. she’s also fun to talk to in vc and has an epic bird
brother terbin 25/01/2021 14:43
nobody seems to have issues with her either
Brother Rathause 25/01/2021 14:44
She didn’t mention her art work but she’s very talented maybe someone here can find some examples
14:44
Ik she’s done a few pieces for 2b stuff
Brother Entropy
Click to see attachment 🖼️
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 14:50
Wtf yet another Shortbus Member denying membership
Brother Pint
i'm in her personal base Discord (same as a few others in here). she is a terraforming goddess. idk if the only structural builds at the base are built by her, but if they are, she defs has build potential. not exceptional potential, but remarkable.
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 14:51
She built most of the stuff there I believe, I gave very basic pointers on a couple small things, but she did pretty much all her builds independently afaik (edited)
ßrother LordNo. 25/01/2021 15:16
Also, as far as signs of longevity are concerned, she has weathered some of the worst experiences the server has. Doxxed and bullied by emp, doxxed by Jared, pressured into token logging others, having your discord raided, and she is still here.
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eepy Joe 25/01/2021 15:20
^
Brother Todarac
I'd like to see some builds then
brother noname 25/01/2021 16:25
then come to chunk haven
Brother Raaanch 25/01/2021 18:23
I find her very personable and easy to get along with. She is consistently active to the point where she forgets that she’s logged in ahahah. Good to talk to. Seems very good at keeping private matters that way. Can handle herself well when dumb shit is going, like the recent bullshit from jumpy. Mango. It’s a yes from me. Unless there is something glaring that happens to change my mind.
Brother Floyd 25/01/2021 18:32
what happened with jumpy
Brother Entropy 25/01/2021 18:33
phobos
Brother Raaanch 25/01/2021 18:38
Jumpy went around saying some less than kind things about rain going with ufo to pint's show...
ßrother LordNo. 25/01/2021 18:39
I thought jumpy quit
18:39
Where is he saying this?
brother noname 25/01/2021 18:39
i live rent free in jumpys head
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ßrother LordNo. 25/01/2021 18:40
Why they gotta booly
ßrother LordNo.
Where is he saying this?
brother noname 25/01/2021 18:40
in his private discord
ßrother LordNo. 25/01/2021 18:40
Ahh
18:40
LordNoInvite over here
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:13
since some ppl in here wernt quiet sure what rain has done in the past i asked her to send some examples
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brother terbin 25/01/2021 19:14
very very awesome
19:14
@Brother Todarac
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:14
brother noname 25/01/2021 19:22
good builder
19:22
uwu
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:23
true
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:38
19:38
that too
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:44
rain kinda wronged emperium tho iirc
19:44
she switched up as soon as Phobos thing happened and then tried to get back in
19:44
rats jump off the sinking ship first (edited)
1Charlie3
rain kinda wronged emperium tho iirc
Brother leijurv 25/01/2021 19:45
yeah this is a plus for me
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:45
19:45
more of a response for why jumpy doesn’t like her
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 19:45
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:45
Fuck emp
19:45
All i gotta say (edited)
19:46
All the chill emp people are in here already anyway
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:46
true lol
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:46
lol like 1/2 of our recruits come from emp
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:46
emp is like a filter
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:46
Notice how the vast majority are now former emp
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:46
all the retarded ppl stay there all the cool ppl end up here
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:46
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:47
the masons are better but emperium is just as equally a mason breeding ground as it is autist breeding ground
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 19:47
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:48
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:48
no emperium no masons
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brother noname 25/01/2021 19:48
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:48
redpill no one wants to hear
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:49
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 19:49
stop with ur Charlie
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1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:49
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:49
Emp is just as lame as ii. Difference is the chill people in emp are chiller than the ii ones (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:49
true
19:50
i mean II has kinda replaced emp as "The group to join if ur new"
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:50
very blue comments from zippie who threatened to leak all emperium bases he had access too when jumpy made fun of him
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:50
All they do is feed bachis ego lmfao
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:50
lol very accurate representation of what i said
brother noname 25/01/2021 19:51
so based zippie
19:51
should've leaked them (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:51
true true
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:51
Leaking emp bases is dumb. The emp builders are alright. The retards that should be fucked over are the pvpers
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:51
true
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 19:51
yesssss
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:51
Thats why i didnt leak the emp bases i was at when i was booted
19:52
Because believe me i thought about it
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:52
because they toxic? just ignore them lol ??
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:52
when were u emp?
brother noname 25/01/2021 19:52
I had zeta and never went to an emp base
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:52
based
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:52
Late summer and up to like a week before phobos iirc
19:53
I bet the one base is still there even
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 19:53
There are like 4 people who I liked in emperium and they all quit
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:53
This
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:53
true
brother noname 25/01/2021 19:53
true (edited)
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:53
or they came here
19:53
lol
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:54
Lordno
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1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:54
emperium is middle man mason recruiting idk why u guys hate
19:54
don’t hate appreciate
Brother Nekramite 25/01/2021 19:54
It's time to stop
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:55
Give it time, itll be the Shortbus Caliphate
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:55
not anymore so now we can shit on them lol
19:55
jk
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:55
Im not kidding, fuck emp lol
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:55
idk i liked emp but only in the state it was in a few years ago
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:55
Ive never liked emp
1Charlie3
no emperium no masons
brother terbin 25/01/2021 19:55
it is very true
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:56
you were inactive for the last 2 year in emp that’s probably why zippie
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:56
Dark emperor is cool
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:56
not like you would know what the state of it is
1Charlie3
you were inactive for the last 2 year in emp that’s probably why zippie
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:56
true lol
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:56
About the only thing i like about the place
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:57
i liked it when it was basically hanscor jordan and me doing everything
19:57
its been shit ever since imo
19:58
and now all the cool ppl are here
19:58
so idc about the group anymore
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:58
^based list
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:58
doesnt mean i hate it, its just a lot worse than it used to be
19:59
and there hasnt been a good vc that isnt just annoying kids screaming for a few years since then
brother noname 25/01/2021 19:59
emp was horrible ever since jumpy joined
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 19:59
lol
brother noname 25/01/2021 19:59
and then became ok after he left
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 19:59
Jumpy is a fucking braindead retard
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1Charlie3 25/01/2021 19:59
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eepy Joe
Jumpy is a fucking braindead retard
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 20:00
this tbh
brother noname 25/01/2021 20:00
speak on it king
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 20:00
and then jumpy ran everything and it became shitty lol
brother noname 25/01/2021 20:00
the only reason I like emp is cause we got Charlie
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 20:01
what about hanscor?
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 20:01
Empmasons are based
brother noname 25/01/2021 20:01
yea and hans cor Jordan you and lord no and nekra
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 20:01
Everyone else can just like... despawn
brother terbin
it is very true
Brother Fruit 25/01/2021 20:01
disagree
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eepy Joe 25/01/2021 20:01
^
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 20:02
i agree that the majority of emp is annoying just saying there are a few pieces of gold in the shitpile
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 20:02
really it’s just a few autistic people and lots of neutral people with some good people
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20:02
most people are just young not retarded
Brother Fruit 25/01/2021 20:03
Masons were founded before or at the same time as emperium and at the start each emperium member initiation caused a lot of controversy tbh (edited)
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 20:03
Brother Fruit 25/01/2021 20:03
But the anti emperium sentiment either subsided or it’s advocates left entirely
20:03
Frankfurt moment
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brother noname 25/01/2021 20:04
someone post the I'm glad I'm not that guy emp Mason meme @Brother Todarac
eepy Joe 25/01/2021 20:05
I am all for the destruction of emp, I am a proud anti-emp advocate
1Charlie3 25/01/2021 20:05
the systematic emperium hate has to stop ✋
Brother Fruit 25/01/2021 20:05
virgin emperium / chad society / thad spawnmasons
Brother Todarac 25/01/2021 20:05
https://i.imgur.com/QuOjD1A.png
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eepy Joe 25/01/2021 20:05
Society project with SEZ at the head was unironically based
20:06
I wish he would boot fucking penguinos are take over again
Brother Todarac
https://i.imgur.com/QuOjD1A.png
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 20:06
true lol
Brother Todarac
https://i.imgur.com/QuOjD1A.png
brother noname 25/01/2021 20:06
yessssss
Brother Pint 25/01/2021 20:17
so many bluepills here. Emp is just like every other try-hard wannabe faction: a septic tank for needy clout-chasing idiots (edited)
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20:17
also, jumpy better clamp his lips bc that bullshit is kinda serious (edited)
1Charlie3
very blue comments from zippie who threatened to leak all emperium bases he had access too when jumpy made fun of him
Brother leijurv 25/01/2021 20:45
based zippie, only way zippie could have been more based is if he did it
brother noname 25/01/2021 20:46
so true
Gebrüder Zippie 25/01/2021 20:48
lol
20:49
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/803341802005463070 just gonna post this since i feel like a lot of ppl didnt see it
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Brother Entropy 26/01/2021 13:13
Dark
13:13
Brother Entropy pinned a message to this channel. 26/01/2021 13:14
eepy Joe 26/01/2021 13:19
YES HELLO
Brother Wailn 26/01/2021 13:23
Good application
Brother Nekramite 26/01/2021 13:35
brother terbin 26/01/2021 13:53
1Charlie3 26/01/2021 14:25
Old masons based
Gebrüder Zippie 26/01/2021 14:35
Yes
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 14:36
Very based
brother noname 26/01/2021 15:58
damn he's old
Brother Entropy 26/01/2021 16:15
my thoughts exactly lul
brother noname 26/01/2021 16:41
he acts a lot younger i feel, but very good app very good contender
Brother Pint 26/01/2021 16:55
Dark is dank
16:55
i thought he was 37... i was close lol
brother terbin 26/01/2021 17:07
he's very sweet
17:07
brother noname 26/01/2021 17:08
not an issue at all<3
brother terbin 26/01/2021 17:09
ye that's what I said
17:09
to him
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 17:15
Is anyone here older than him?
brother noname 26/01/2021 17:15
yes
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 17:16
Thought so
brother noname 26/01/2021 17:16
wont even be the oldest mason
brother terbin 26/01/2021 17:21
not sure if any active mason is older than him. But ex-mason yes (edited)
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 17:22
Isn’t doc like 60
brother terbin 26/01/2021 17:22
docsmurf? he's not in the discord
17:22
and no
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 17:22
Doctrzombie
brother terbin 26/01/2021 17:22
ah
17:22
hmm
17:22
could be
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 17:22
Sorry not docsmurf
brother terbin 26/01/2021 17:22
no worries :)
brother noname 26/01/2021 17:23
isnt giga like 100 years old?
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17:23
hes active
Brother Fruit 26/01/2021 17:23
Zombie is not 60
Brother Rathause 26/01/2021 17:25
Lol
Brother Raaanch 26/01/2021 17:45
Dark good
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Gebrüder Zippie 26/01/2021 17:52
but im voting no cus noone will know its me
1Charlie3 26/01/2021 18:50
Krobar oldest
18:50
unless there is other secret grandpa mason
18:51
@brother noname secret grandfather maybe
brother noname 26/01/2021 18:51
im 24
1Charlie3 26/01/2021 18:51
94 you mean?
18:51
senile
brother noname 26/01/2021 18:51
yes i have dementia
Brother Raaanch 26/01/2021 18:54
me too.
1Charlie3
94 you mean?
Brother Pint 26/01/2021 21:56
have seen. can confirm
Brother Entropy 27/01/2021 10:29
Chipoff (edited)
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Brother Entropy pinned a message to this channel. 27/01/2021 10:30
broder lampa 27/01/2021 10:31
and a half lul
Brother Entropy 27/01/2021 10:31
ye
Brother Giganox 27/01/2021 10:54
That Beardler thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth after reading this. But the fact that he realises that he might have gotten too used to the toxicity of 2b means that there is still hope for him, right? I kind of like that he puts energy into making information accessible. (edited)
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 11:34
The association with beardler makes me uncomfortable, but it does not make me trust chipoff less, or think of him less. I am concerned moving foreward, though. Some random kid nuked beardler's base 'on my behalf' without my advanced knowledge... Chipoff was en route. I cannot guarantee this wont happen again. I almost admire Chipoff for giving beard a chance, but I think he's getting fooled, and it makes me unhappy to say the least. I don't think less of the guy though. He's been open minded and extremely accepting of others the whole time I've known him. I cannot say yes to him joining enough times to properly express my feelings on the matter. (edited)
11:37
Chipoff has been extremely reliable on the wiki, the discord archive is now his for a reason; his dedication to the project. He's a capable basemate, a good friend, but most of all: Chipoff is a non-shitter and a non-retard. Coconut ™️ approved (edited)
11:42
I mean what can i say
11:43
I love the guy (no homo). We gotta get him in here ASAP
brother terbin 27/01/2021 12:09
Agreed I trust Chipoff 100%
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 12:11
^would trust him with my main base without a second thought if he had no base
Brother Wailn 27/01/2021 13:14
beardler association is a little off putting, but he seems like a cool dude
Brother Pint 27/01/2021 16:21
Chipoff is defs a good guy. when i accidentally leaked the coords to the Halloween base in October, he was one of the first to see. he didn't go spreading it and, when i invited him out of mere damage-control, he still didn't share it.
brother noname 27/01/2021 17:42
it was all so good till i got to the beardler part
brother terbin 27/01/2021 17:58
remember, he didn't have to share it but decided to
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 18:20
Also remember that Beardler didnt fuck most of you over
18:21
Not to mention chipoff didnt know him then either
brother terbin 27/01/2021 18:29
Beardler was a kid too
18:30
here's what he put in respect club last year
18:30
not that it has anything to do with chipoff
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 18:51
Personally i still believe beard is a snake, but we're talking about chipoff here
18:52
I dont think his association with beard is anything to worry about
18:52
Chippy is a capable guy, a hard worker, and a good friend
1Charlie3 27/01/2021 18:55
Beardler is mentally ill
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 18:57
I mean if he wasnt before, he certainly was after a video by a major youtuber was made to shit on him specifically
18:58
And that part is a shame
Brother Raaanch 27/01/2021 18:58
Hell yeah. I like Chipoff. He's a solid and respectable dude. He could have left out that Beardler detail, but no doubt was honest to show his solidarity here. Yes. Beardler is and forever shall be the pit of the bottom of the outhouse, but I trust that Chipoff won't let anyone get dragged in to it.
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 18:58
Tbh i like chipoff even more because he was open about it
18:59
Im sure he knew a few of us would have a collective coronary, but still decided to tell the truth
18:59
Brother material is all I gotta say
Brother Raaanch 27/01/2021 19:00
kind of off topic but is ciroc in that same beardler group too?
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 19:02
I dont know, I try to just avoid beardler at this point. I dont want any more trouble
19:02
I know i will probably say mean things and i dont want that
Gebrüder Zippie 27/01/2021 19:03
lol
Brother Raaanch 27/01/2021 19:05
I'm with you. I personally have avoided all that stuff, which is why I'm curious as to why Chipoff would bother, but I doubt it's for malicious intent. I understand that it's a group vote. If people are uncomfortable with that connection then I will respect that.
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 19:06
He's a very kind and open-minded person
19:06
When i met him in the wiki
19:07
It was through an abusive staffmember, and a perpetually tantrum-throwing child
19:09
A lot of us were fed up with this guy, fredmodulars. @Brother Fruit can certainly vouch for that. Chipoff was the voice of reason disagreeing with some of our policies, to a decent extent because of his more patience than ours, and he effected some real change
Brother Fruit 27/01/2021 19:09
Yeah
19:10
Fred was a nightmare but some things he said had some merit
19:10
Chipoff helped find compromise
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 19:11
Probably a good guy to have around when the Votemasons ™️ start arguing as tends to happen
brother noname 27/01/2021 19:27
yea everything else is really good the beardler thing would not stop me personally
19:27
I just hope he knows it looks a lil
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Brother Todarac 27/01/2021 21:35
I thought chipoff was older, with how mature he is and how his voice sounds
Brother Rathause 27/01/2021 21:38
Same
Brother Floyd 27/01/2021 21:41
I don't
21:41
Know how to feel
21:41
About beardler
Brother Entropy 27/01/2021 21:43
/ignore
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Brother Floyd 27/01/2021 21:46
Gud solution
brother noname 27/01/2021 21:47
21:47
chipoff rn
Brother Todarac 27/01/2021 21:52
brother terbin 27/01/2021 21:58
Brother Rathause 27/01/2021 22:02
Rango irl
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 22:05
Holy shit he's so cool
Brother Pint 27/01/2021 22:17
a lot of us in here are fairly close with controversial figures on this server - objective or subjective. i don't think the Beardler connection is anything to fret in the slightest. (edited)
22:20
if a person knows what and what not to talk about with whomever (with evidence), that's basically good enough for me.
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Brother Fruit 27/01/2021 22:20
This
eepy Joe 27/01/2021 22:21
This
brother noname 27/01/2021 22:28
This
Brother Raaanch 28/01/2021 00:32
That
Gebrüder Zippie 28/01/2021 00:32
entropyanndroid 30/01/2021 01:16
Correct. Just because Nordic and BabbaJ (among others) chat with the nerds regularly doesn't mean I don't trust them to keep A and B separated. There are different kinds of discretion and different kinds of trust. I wouldn't trust Beardler given his reputation and I doubt Chipoff trusts him any more than Offtopia would at this point Heck, we trusted Dloaded enough to give him his ranks back and look what happened.
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brother terbin 30/01/2021 02:53
Wise words
02:54
Very true I think
Brother Todarac 01/02/2021 02:16
How do people feel about Nexx? Ive been to 2 bases with him so far and talk to him in vc and text in the guardsmen
02:16
Hes shown interest in joining here and I'd like to get him an invite
02:16
so we can have more guests
eepy Joe 01/02/2021 02:21
Nex is in a number of mutual projects with me, I am also a fan
02:21
Reliable, level-headed guy
Brother Pint 01/02/2021 02:21
is that his IGN?
02:21
Nexx?
Brother Todarac 01/02/2021 02:23
https://namemc.com/profile/NexxMC.4
NexxMC | Minecraft Profile
Check the availability of Minecraft names, look up the name history of Minecraft accounts, view Minecraft skins in 3D, convert UUIDs, and much more!
Brother Pint 01/02/2021 02:33
:thumbs_up:
02:33
i don't know him at all
Brother Raaanch 01/02/2021 02:36
Me neither.
Brother Rathause 01/02/2021 02:50
He’s a nice guy known him since summer 2019 never super close though
Brother Fruit 01/02/2021 05:01
bit too close to brownmen for my liking tbh
brother noname 02/02/2021 00:36
ok I know brochaco is young and ex emp but he's pretty chill and has been building at chunk
00:37
he's not completely retarded
Brother Pint 02/02/2021 00:44
yeah, he seems really dumb in text channels, but when you talk to him in vc, he's reall ycool
00:44
he's moved up in my book (edited)
00:44
also, Dec is really cool
brother noname 02/02/2021 00:47
Dec is chill too
Brother Floyd 02/02/2021 01:44
Honestly don't think broc is mason material
01:45
Maybe cool to have around but not as brother
01:45
Dec... Idk, mixed feelings
Brother Wailn 02/02/2021 01:46
I agree
1Charlie3 02/02/2021 02:36
Agree
brother terbin 02/02/2021 04:31
Don’t think either is mason material atm - dec was really unstable, let’s give him at least a year in total of being back.
Brother Raaanch 02/02/2021 04:31
I trust terbin.
eepy Joe 02/02/2021 04:39
Why does brother music NOT have 4th degree???????
brother terbin 02/02/2021 04:39
Cause he hasn’t been initiated into it
04:40
There was an official initiation for brother music back before 4th
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/02/2021 04:40
you have to build a lodge to get 4th degree
eepy Joe 02/02/2021 04:41
Can I include Brother Music in building a lodge?
Brother Toilet (breithan) 02/02/2021 04:41
if BrotherMusic account is in game baritoning then i dont see how entropy can deny that
brother terbin 02/02/2021 04:42
Agree
brother terbin 02/02/2021 08:04
But who has the BrotherMusic account? Scribble?
Brother Floyd 02/02/2021 09:05
Ye
brother terbin
Don’t think either is mason material atm - dec was really unstable, let’s give him at least a year in total of being back.
Brother Pint 02/02/2021 12:56
i can agree on that with Brochacho. i don't think that's the case with Dec, tho. idr what he was like the first time he was in here (or even when that was tbh), but he told me about some drama that was goin on in his personal life (which i don't doubt played a big part) that apparently has come and gone. (edited)
12:59
which could mean he's a little less unstable now. i wouldn't hold him to a year, tho; maybe 6 months at most
brother terbin 02/02/2021 13:00
sounds good
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brother noname 02/02/2021 17:04
we can also change brother music to any name so if you get an alt brother sound or some shit we just intiate them
17:04
if scribble wants to keep the acct
Brother Fruit 02/02/2021 19:52
BrotherChoons
Brother Floyd 02/02/2021 22:24
Brother Brother
brother noname 02/02/2021 22:25
we can initiate brother groovy too he will only get 4th degree
Brother Entropy 02/02/2021 23:13
groovy hasnt shown enough interest / dedication yet
23:13
barely ever in voice
eepy Joe 02/02/2021 23:38
Brother Todarac 02/02/2021 23:43
can I get uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
23:43
invite for nexx
eepy Joe 02/02/2021 23:47
so true!!!!
23:47
He's helping me run a watercube removal project, has so far been very helpful with planning
23:48
He is a smart lad
Brother Entropy 02/02/2021 23:48
i hope you realise watercube removal is quadratically more work than creation
eepy Joe 02/02/2021 23:48
yes i do
ßrother LordNo. 03/02/2021 00:04
Good thing he has the power of autism on his side
eepy Joe
He's helping me run a watercube removal project, has so far been very helpful with planning
Brother Toilet (breithan) 03/02/2021 00:09
Removing water cube where?
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 00:09
spawn
00:10
we have higher autism quotients than you could possibly imagine
Brother Toilet (breithan) 03/02/2021 00:10
Dang i was gonna use that
00:10
For a lodge
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 00:10
we'll build a new one
00:10
or fail lol
Brother F3 03/02/2021 00:21
oh nice
00:21
you figured out how to use sponges the most effecient?
00:22
or what are your strats?
00:24
on the creative server you can see what giganox and me havw came up with
Brother Entropy 03/02/2021 00:25
they are definitely gonna try flying machines
00:25
which is still feasible cause most of the blocks were already removed
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 00:28
flying machines yeah, currently looking into the feasibility of multi-level machines; at 10 tps, with ALL prep work done, and machines made and properly loaded, it would take 14 hours of constant runtime currently
00:29
14 hours is ridiculous unless we have a fuckton of people protecting them
00:30
@Brother F3 i would love to see the design you guys have, but i am not whitelisted
Brother Toilet (breithan) 03/02/2021 00:30
Just so you know if your remove it i will put some of it back for my lodge
Brother Entropy 03/02/2021 00:51
if you work in the shadows and dont drag attention you can run machinery close to spawn easily
00:51
just make sure to put enough obby bs to keep the water from being fixed
Brother Entropy
they are definitely gonna try flying machines
Brother F3 03/02/2021 00:53
oh true yea thats better...
eepy Joe
@Brother F3 i would love to see the design you guys have, but i am not whitelisted
Brother F3 03/02/2021 00:53
it was with sponges so less effiecent xD
Brother Entropy
just make sure to put enough obby bs to keep the water from being fixed
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 00:54
thats the idea after assuming all goes well
00:55
we have a lot of obsidian stockpiled (edited)
Brother F3
it was with sponges so less effiecent xD
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 00:55
cool concept though
ßrother LordNo. 03/02/2021 00:55
Just fill it with obby
00:55
Can be that hard
Brother Entropy
just make sure to put enough obby bs to keep the water from being fixed
Brother F3 03/02/2021 00:56
?
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 00:56
will make the 00 ... mess, probably solid obsidian
Brother F3 03/02/2021 00:56
there is supposed to be a flying mashine in the vorners wherr water sources could form
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 03:20
Brother Entropy 03/02/2021 03:38
wait you were literally already in there
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 03:39
?? I tried to join like 2 days ago and it said no
brother terbin 03/02/2021 04:44
Wrong alt?
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 04:45
beats me
brother terbin 03/02/2021 04:59
Also wring cha. El
eepy Joe 03/02/2021 05:06
Very cool picture^
Brother F3 03/02/2021 11:16
acc name leak
broder lampa 03/02/2021 18:22
Nexx nsn'er instant no
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brother terbin 03/02/2021 18:22
please lamp, what is nsn? (edited)
broder lampa 03/02/2021 18:22
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/566749523666534402/806590032437706792
18:22
No server november
brother terbin 03/02/2021 18:22
agree with lamp 100%
1Charlie3 03/02/2021 18:25
agree
Brother Raaanch 03/02/2021 18:43
Yeah that’s some bullshit. “Nsn” can kiss the fattest part of my ass.
broder lampa
Nexx nsn'er instant no
Brother Fruit 03/02/2021 20:06
yeah i mentioned his connection to brownmen earlier but it sorta got ignored lol
Brother Toilet (breithan) 03/02/2021 20:08
No discussion before nex was invited either
broder lampa 03/02/2021 20:09
@Brother Fruit i read brownmen as guardsmen lmao
20:10
or like i thought that's what you meant with brownmen
Brother Toilet (breithan)
No discussion before nex was invited either
brother terbin 03/02/2021 20:10
there was a bit https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/805622470371311646
20:10
that's what henry meant
20:10
when he said in the end the thing about the brownmen association
20:13
also guests can be invited through many ways - it's enough if "everyone in voice" agreed
20:13
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/521103283520274475/594993718700802069
20:13
there is a grace period for people to voice opinions
20:13
but the general idea I think is, guests can be gotten rid of as quickly as they can join?
20:14
therefore no strict rules on invitation
Brother Floyd 03/02/2021 20:33
What the fuck who did
20:34
I mean honestly it would be nice to ask before inviting anyone
20:36
Anyone associated to retarded shit like no server november/destroy server december/other newfag clout seeking shit can stay in their dirt hut
Brother Entropy 03/02/2021 20:40
https://discord.com/channels/343851086026637313/353423878137315329/805622470371311646
Brother Floyd 03/02/2021 20:43
Oh I missed it
20:43
My b
Brother Rathause 03/02/2021 21:27
Didn’t know he was an nsn guy also thought Henry means guardsmen when he said brown men lol
21:27
Ik he was voco left voco was part of a big group base then ended up in guardsmen
ßrother LordNo. 03/02/2021 22:09
Also, nexx just brought some leaky base coord “here’s coords do your thing 2b” reddit garbage into general right? (edited)
22:10
Correction, it was kelvidore
Brother Todarac 03/02/2021 23:15
Ill personally ask him if he had a part in it
23:15
to see if hes honest about it and/or how involved he was
Brother Floyd 03/02/2021 23:18
Yeh I don't like kelv a lot
23:18
He was rude to Cubes for no reason
Brother Todarac 03/02/2021 23:19
I meant nexx and the no server november thing
Brother Todarac
to see if hes honest about it and/or how involved he was
Brother Fruit 03/02/2021 23:40
he already volunteered the information that he “had not made a lag machine since november”
23:40
Brother Wailn 04/02/2021 00:06
Kick him
Brother Floyd 04/02/2021 00:19
^
00:19
Sloppy
Brother Pint 04/02/2021 04:36
NSN is always a hard no for me
04:36
but
04:37
i was in vc with Nexx for like an hour earlier this evening and if i hadn't known of his associations, i would never have assumed such (edited)
04:37
he seems really cool thus far
04:39
also, i love Kelv, but i'm almost convinced he has no Brother Potential™️
eepy Joe 04/02/2021 04:39
Pint spitting HARD redpills
Brother Pint 04/02/2021 04:42
these redpills were PAINFUL to pass
brother terbin 04/02/2021 04:43
ye Kelv is a bit unhinged, but a sweet guy
brother terbin
ye Kelv is a bit unhinged, but a sweet guy
ßrother LordNo. 04/02/2021 04:44
This x 1000
eepy Joe 04/02/2021 04:44
kelv is very sweet and i like the guy, but some of the stuff he does makes me very uneasy
brother terbin 04/02/2021 04:44
ye
Brother Pint 04/02/2021 04:46
Kelv sober makes me feel how Nordic does when he's drunk (edited)
Brother Raaanch 04/02/2021 04:57
He's a gem. Just loves his knowledge of personal details.
Bromger Boomerang 04/02/2021 06:10
Kelv is a great guy. Very open and fun to talk to.
Brother Giganox 04/02/2021 06:30
I get douchebag vibes from Kelv sometimes
Brother Raaanch 04/02/2021 06:34
I get that.
brother noname 04/02/2021 13:07
Kelv is funny but idk aboht Mason material
Брат Bird 05/02/2021 23:46
He's way too into doxing, even if he thinks its a haha funny meme dude just pulls your shit up its uncomfy
Brother Pint 05/02/2021 23:53
yeah, especially when it's pertaining to minors; he pulled Rain's up and DM'd me it without any notice or context.
23:54
and this was durig his first week in here
Gebrüder Zippie 05/02/2021 23:55
yikes
Brother Pint 05/02/2021 23:57
how do we feel about other guest atm?
23:58
i'm not really liking Netherad tbh
1Charlie3 05/02/2021 23:58
kelvidore is kind of like neutral chaotic he is just weird and kinda annoying but doesn’t really have bad intentions
Brother Pint
i'm not really liking Netherad tbh
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:00
kinda highkey flirts with Clover and Rain every woman him in this Discord
Bróðir Nordic 06/02/2021 00:01
dont be a white knight dude
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:01
I am happy to see familypumpkin active again
Bróðir Nordic 06/02/2021 00:01
if they dont like it they can prob say so them selfs
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:02
also i will say, i have been pleasantly surprised by brochacho's behavior
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1Charlie3 06/02/2021 00:09
why do the guests send so many messages brochacho has almost more than me
Bróðir Nordic 06/02/2021 00:09
because we tell them to be active
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:09
true
Brother leijurv 06/02/2021 00:10
(JOKE) charlie ur message count is low because all you do is rage at people who rage at emperium
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brother noname 06/02/2021 00:10
I like netherrad he's just a bit slow
Bróðir Nordic
if they dont like it they can prob say so them selfs
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:10
keyword "prob"
Brother leijurv
(JOKE) charlie ur message count is low because all you do is rage at people who rage at emperium
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:10
eepy Joe
I am happy to see familypumpkin active again
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:11
THIS. i love FamPump and think he's a v cool dude
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:11
idk how to feel about him tbh
00:11
I'm 50/50
00:12
I like him generally but I don't like some things I've heard
brother noname
I like him generally but I don't like some things I've heard
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:12
can you share what those thing are? i've heard nothing
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:12
he's Jared insider
1Charlie3 06/02/2021 00:13
no bueno
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:13
I should just ask him about it
Брат Bird
He's way too into doxing, even if he thinks its a haha funny meme dude just pulls your shit up its uncomfy
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:17
If you think doxing is fun I straight up would kick him no matter how cool or friendly you are
00:17
Leaking people's personal infos around is not cool
1Charlie3 06/02/2021 00:19
he did that in (emperium) too
brother noname
he's Jared insider
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:19
From who did you hear this
1Charlie3
kelvidore is kind of like neutral chaotic he is just weird and kinda annoying but doesn’t really have bad intentions
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:19
i agree with this. i take don't like calling people stupid lightly, but he essentially is in that regards
Brother Floyd
From who did you hear this
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:21
yeah, i'd like to know, too puweeze
Brother Floyd
From who did you hear this
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:22
idk I can't find it it mightve been in vc
1Charlie3 06/02/2021 00:22
I kinda remember too
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:22
I know I'm not making it up
00:24
Yolo im asking him lol
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:24
Lol
00:25
Expect like "ofc I'm not wtf"
00:25
I honestly like Fam so idk
00:25
Didn't know this jared thing
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:26
i just dm'd Fam
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:26
well people throw Jared insider like it's nothing
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:26
regardin gthat
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:26
NOOOO
00:26
God damn it
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:26
Also true
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:26
now he's gonna be like wtf
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:26
friendly reminder
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:26
did you dm him?
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:26
DELETE FAST
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:26
yes
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:26
Lmaoo
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:26
i was accused of similar shit when i tried to come here at first
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:26
right
Brother Entropy 06/02/2021 00:26
if i dm him too will that even it out
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eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:26
frankly, i smell bs
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:27
I'm sure I would be if I never joined
Brother Entropy
if i dm him too will that even it out
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:27
yes
Brother Entropy
if i dm him too will that even it out
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:27
LMAOOOO
00:27
it is finished
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:27
everyone dm him rn asking him why he's a Jared insider
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:27
Top kekkers
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:28
i asked him if he was lol
00:28
bu ti like ufo's idea a lot
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:28
I feel a lot of times others equate being friendly with Jared as being an insider
Brother Floyd 06/02/2021 00:28
Noo you just gotta assume he is
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brother noname 06/02/2021 00:28
brother noname
I feel a lot of times others equate being friendly with Jared as being an insider
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:29
this
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:30
he's not even friendly with jared lul (edited)
Brother Pint 06/02/2021 00:31
every time i mention i'm "buddies" with Jared i get a lecturette from certain people if they hear it
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brother noname 06/02/2021 00:31
Jared insiders be like: he's not even friends with Jared!
00:31
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:31
okay buddy
Brother Entropy 06/02/2021 00:31
theyre both impostors
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:31
Brother Entropy 06/02/2021 00:31
eject
brother noname 06/02/2021 00:31
on trial
eepy Joe 06/02/2021 00:31
Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
Brother Wailn 06/02/2021 01:10
For me the only potential brother is guddy, but that still requires a while yet. Netherrad is a maybe. I don’t particularly like bro, kelv, dec. If they weren’t all at chunky I’d say kick them now
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